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cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 20:50 pm

45s wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 17:44 pm

renostl wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025 15:03 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 13:40 pm

TheJackBurton wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 13:38 pm

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025 13:31 pm My question is why would the NFL want a Super Bowl in Kansas City in February?

They have them in Indiana, why would the NFL want a Super Bowl in Indy in February?

That tends to be the thing for building a new stadium, especially tax payer funded ones, is that you'll get a super bowl to help offset the initial tax payer costs.

And the Super Bowl in Indy was widely panned as one of the worst Super Bowl experiences for fans.

Who wants to go to a Super Bowl in Kansas City in February?

Minneapolis had one too

Detroit as well

All once, as a reward for building a new stadium, and not again since. Having the super bowl in these cold weather cities in February is stupid.

Look up worst Super Bowl host cities and Detroit and Indy top the list for exactly the reasons I've stated.

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

bluetunehead wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 09:04 am What a weird thread. The Cardinals aren’t moving, threatening to move, or even rumored to be moving. Illinois wouldn’t pay to update Wrigley Field, told the Sox they aren’t funding a new stadium, and are now doing the same to the Bears. In what world would they suddenly pay for a Cardinals stadium in East St. Louis of all places??

kscardsfan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 23:50 pm

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Kansas resident. Not a chief fan. Not a royal fan. But thinking that Kansas taxpayers were the real losers here is kinda foolish. Will you be a loser if the royals stay in misery and the taxpayers face the same consequences? By the way I'm still a Cardinal football fan. My loyalty is to the teams I grew up rooting for. My big fear is the dewitts will last as long as the bidwells. Not enough years left for me to wait them out

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 09:18 am

CCard wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 09:22 am

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 22:29 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:48 pm

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:33 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:19 pm

Ike Hammett wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 21:06 pm

CCard wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025 20:50 pm It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Do you even want them here? Doesn't seem like any of you "BFIB" want, like or support them. Who gave up on who?

Schools suffering from shortages, infrastructure crumbling, property taxes going up but tax funded stadiums for billionaires should take precedence? Mercenaries go to the highest bidders. This team had plenty of support when they wanted to win but losing breeds indifference....and they know that.

Haven't been to Kansas City (MO) in a few years maybe 5, but last time I was there I had a good time. Things looked good, people seemed content and as happy as anywhere else. I think your question is better suited for the people of Kanas (the state). I'm on the opposite side of this, pro sports teams bring in revenues, they attract attention, make people feel good, bring a sense of pride to folks (if done right), and greatly impact communities. When i think of Kansas City, I think of the Chiefs and Royals. When I think of Kansas, I think of trash that really has nothing.

It's been studied to death. Tax payer funded stadiums have a negative overall impact. With all that "revenue" which mostly goes to the owners, there also is added strain on infrastructure. More police presence, more services, more strain on traffic and trash collection. That's just a few of the things. There's no doubt that if brings in tourist revenue as well as an uptick in sales taxes and such, but that stadium has a life expectancy also. So in a decade or 15 years there will have to some some renovations and then the inevitable "we need a new tax payer funded stadium" cry.

Fair enough and I respect your point. This to me isn't necessarily about economics, it's about quality of life and I ask you to respect my point. What is economically beneficial to planting trees, creating a beautiful public park, improving roads and bridges to make them just look better when completely functional etc?

IT MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY!

Maybe it's not the most economically best thing (which is need to investigate) but people want it. Let's look at a bigger picture and include the variables. Do people want nicer things or just what is the best economically? I bet big bucks people and fans want nicer neighborhoods with fun activities far more than just what is best economically. Why would anyone buy the TV that is cool VS a piece of TV that you can watch the same game on? Why would anyone want a 1995 pick up truck VS. A 2026 model? It's kind of better because it makes them feel better.

But tax funded parks benefit everyone that pays taxes. Planting trees benefits everyone. Using tax dollars( that every pays in) to subsidize a billionaires business is just wrong. Especially in this economy when people are getting their food subsidies and healthcare subsidies whacked radically. How you don't see that is beyond me. Everyone wants nice neighborhoods but not everyone wants their tax dollars to go to a billionaires pet hobby. Especially when said billionaire could pay for it him/her self.This isn't rocket science here. We have real people in real need and they deserve for their tax dollars to be used responsibly. Just like the whole gambling thing. It's just a way to funnel money from poor and stupid people to those that don't need or deserve it. The lottery started out as a way to help schools, then once established they cut the taxes for the schools, so the schools got shafted. Now instead of the wealthy paying their share of the tax burden we have the poor and middle class paying more because gambling on the lotter is basically a poor person tax. The wealthy don't play or pay.

Wow. That's some warped logic right there. Blaming the rich for people wasting their money at casinos. Wow!

CCard wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:30 am

kscardsfan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 23:50 pm

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Kansas resident. Not a chief fan. Not a royal fan. But thinking that Kansas taxpayers were the real losers here is kinda foolish. Will you be a loser if the royals stay in misery and the taxpayers face the same consequences? By the way I'm still a Cardinal football fan. My loyalty is to the teams I grew up rooting for. My big fear is the dewitts will last as long as the bidwells. Not enough years left for me to wait them out

LOL...3 billion of your tax payer dollars that can't go to schools, food programs, parks for all, infrastructure etc etc. Yeah, but at least you'll have a pro sports team that'll soak you for more money after the new wears off. Studies have been done to show that pro sports extortion is a negative impact on the community. Just think about that the next time they cut some community service that you or some of the elderly depend on. You're a Cardinals football fan? Good for you. You show more loyalty than Bidwell did to the people of St Louis and the state of Missouri. I'm sure he would return the love, if he even cared who you are.

12xu wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 09:30 am They might be moving to Montana soon......
just to raise them up a crop of cheap prospects
raisin' 'em up - and paying 'em low
on a big old field just west of Silver Bow

They'd be by themselves they wouldn't have no fans,
but they'd be raising them up some new farmhands.

Well they just might make some trades
but then they'd leave the big bux for somebody else
But then on the other hand they would
Keep the kids upon the mound
save the money and pass it around
They'd have them a crop, and it'd be a big flop
That's why they're movin' to Montana


with deep respect for FZ, may he Rest in Peace.

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:53 amYou keep quoting these studies. I'm from the Show-Me State, so show me! And no, CNN or MSNBC reports won't work.

CCard wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:30 am

kscardsfan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 23:50 pm

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Kansas resident. Not a chief fan. Not a royal fan. But thinking that Kansas taxpayers were the real losers here is kinda foolish. Will you be a loser if the royals stay in misery and the taxpayers face the same consequences? By the way I'm still a Cardinal football fan. My loyalty is to the teams I grew up rooting for. My big fear is the dewitts will last as long as the bidwells. Not enough years left for me to wait them out

LOL...3 billion of your tax payer dollars that can't go to schools, food programs, parks for all, infrastructure etc etc. Yeah, but at least you'll have a pro sports team that'll soak you for more money after the new wears off. Studies have been done to show that pro sports extortion is a negative impact on the community. Just think about that the next time they cut some community service that you or some of the elderly depend on. You're a Cardinals football fan? Good for you. You show more loyalty than Bidwell did to the people of St Louis and the state of Missouri. I'm sure he would return the love, if he even cared who you are.

kscardsfan wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 11:53 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:30 am

kscardsfan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 23:50 pm

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Kansas resident. Not a chief fan. Not a royal fan. But thinking that Kansas taxpayers were the real losers here is kinda foolish. Will you be a loser if the royals stay in misery and the taxpayers face the same consequences? By the way I'm still a Cardinal football fan. My loyalty is to the teams I grew up rooting for. My big fear is the dewitts will last as long as the bidwells. Not enough years left for me to wait them out

LOL...3 billion of your tax payer dollars that can't go to schools, food programs, parks for all, infrastructure etc etc. Yeah, but at least you'll have a pro sports team that'll soak you for more money after the new wears off. Studies have been done to show that pro sports extortion is a negative impact on the community. Just think about that the next time they cut some community service that you or some of the elderly depend on. You're a Cardinals football fan? Good for you. You show more loyalty than Bidwell did to the people of St Louis and the state of Missouri. I'm sure he would return the love, if he even cared who you are.

Come back with that in a couple years and we will see. You stating it now has no bearing on anything.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 10:49 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:53 amYou keep quoting these studies. I'm from the Show-Me State, so show me! And no, CNN or MSNBC reports won't work.

I know that I’m wasting my time here, but this took me about five seconds to google. You could probably find a lot more, but I’m not wasting that much time.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... joes.12533

https://www.missouribusinessalert.com/i ... f46f8.html

https://www.kennesaw.edu/coles/centers/ ... 0-2023.pdf

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:53 am

CCard wrote: ↑27 Dec 2025 08:30 am

kscardsfan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 23:50 pm

AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025 19:38 pm the dewallets did make a slight threat of looking for land over in east st.louis, and media and fans took them to the wood shed, and bdw2 and his derelict son tucked their tails and ran back to claim it was never an option.

also, chiefs and their owners are $$ whores, he would sell his daughter for a million bucks. never think the hunts are good peeps, they are scum bags, and he was one who voted to move the rams out of st.louis, remember that

good for Missouri for letting the state of Kansas lose a ton of cash. you dont make money off stadiums, its factually proven, especially nfl stadiums.


3bil, and chiefs get ALL the game day revenues. LOL If i was a Kansas resident, i'd call jungle law to report a #metoo event.

Kansas resident. Not a chief fan. Not a royal fan. But thinking that Kansas taxpayers were the real losers here is kinda foolish. Will you be a loser if the royals stay in misery and the taxpayers face the same consequences? By the way I'm still a Cardinal football fan. My loyalty is to the teams I grew up rooting for. My big fear is the dewitts will last as long as the bidwells. Not enough years left for me to wait them out

LOL...3 billion of your tax payer dollars that can't go to schools, food programs, parks for all, infrastructure etc etc. Yeah, but at least you'll have a pro sports team that'll soak you for more money after the new wears off. Studies have been done to show that pro sports extortion is a negative impact on the community. Just think about that the next time they cut some community service that you or some of the elderly depend on. You're a Cardinals football fan? Good for you. You show more loyalty than Bidwell did to the people of St Louis and the state of Missouri. I'm sure he would return the love, if he even cared who you are.

You keep quoting these studies. I'm from the Show-Me State, so show me! And no, CNN or MSNBC reports won't work.