NONE of the "potential" changes you mentioned (...minimum wage years, number of arbitration years, etc) would affect free agents who signed in 2026, those only affect younger players.
LAME excuse for not signing free agents, you should stop using it.
So you don’t think raising the minimum wage or shortening the time for players to make it free agency effects the overall expense budget?
Changing the subject?
Raising the minimum wage by a few thousand dollars or shortening time for players to reach FA has NOTHING to do w/BDWJr not signing quality free agents this offseason.
Using the upcoming negotiations is an EXCUSE for not signing quality FA's Dewitt is using, just as he's used the "re-set" lie the last two seasons to slash payroll by MULTI-MILLIONS.
Some moves have been good. Some not so good.
The way it is.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
Cranny he’s going bare bones payroll and his kid is blaming fan attendance. Do they understand the spiral to Pirates hell? STL will fill Busch again as soon as a worthy product is on the field. But BDW has taken the “rebuild” road where he’s saving at least 100mil if the vets are traded this offseason.
And he’s giving himself a 3-4 yr runway for a Pitt/Miami payroll???
Please give the owners answer why he’s unable to ramp payroll to 180mil???
If he signs 2 top bats and at least a top SP this team can win and fans will be back.
Shooting himself in the foot is not the answer and MAY lead to perpetual fan apathy. Is this what he wants??? To destroy the STL MLB market???
Taking for granted that this younger generation returns is very foolish
Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am
“The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.
Three years in a row missing the playoffs.
Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.
One postseason series win in the last 11 years.
These are dark dark times.”
Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”
They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.
So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK
Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.
That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.
Whatever, Goldfan. If you need to be right - be right.
Goldfan is right. Cranny, as usual, you’re wrong.
Your love for Mozo the Clown blinds you.
Either that or you’re a paid lackey for the Cards front office, or a Post-Dispatch staffer just agitating for more clicks.
And I don’t care which of the above you are, but you’re still wrong most of the time.
Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am
“The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.
Three years in a row missing the playoffs.
Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.
One postseason series win in the last 11 years.
These are dark dark times.”
Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”
They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.
So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK
Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.
That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.
Whatever, Goldfan. If you need to be right - be right.
Goldfan is right. Cranny, as usual, you’re wrong.
Your love for Mozo the Clown blinds you.
Either that or you’re a paid lackey for the Cards front office, or a Post-Dispatch staffer just agitating for more clicks.
And I don’t care which of the above you are, but you’re still wrong most of the time.
Actually, I’m not Hazelwood. I just view things differently than you. Neither of us are right or wrong.
Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am
“The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.
Three years in a row missing the playoffs.
Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.
One postseason series win in the last 11 years.
These are dark dark times.”
Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”
They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.
So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK
Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.
That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.
Whatever, Goldfan. If you need to be right - be right.
Goldfan is right. Cranny, as usual, you’re wrong.
Your love for Mozo the Clown blinds you.
Either that or you’re a paid lackey for the Cards front office, or a Post-Dispatch staffer just agitating for more clicks.
And I don’t care which of the above you are, but you’re still wrong most of the time.
I have decided that some posters use this forum for social interaction...what else could explain the numerous highjacking of several threads and 24/7 defense of Mo-ran and DeTwit...it's really sad, pathetic, and harmless.
NONE of the "potential" changes you mentioned (...minimum wage years, number of arbitration years, etc) would affect free agents who signed in 2026, those only affect younger players.
LAME excuse for not signing free agents, you should stop using it.
So you don’t think raising the minimum wage or shortening the time for players to make it free agency effects the overall expense budget?
Changing the subject?
Raising the minimum wage by a few thousand dollars or shortening time for players to reach FA has NOTHING to do w/BDWJr not signing quality free agents this offseason.
Using the upcoming negotiations is an EXCUSE for not signing quality FA's Dewitt is using, just as he's used the "re-set" lie the last two seasons to slash payroll by MULTI-MILLIONS.
Some moves have been good. Some not so good.
The way it is.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
So you don’t think raising the minimum wage or shortening the time for players to make it free agency effects the overall expense budget?
Changing the subject?
Raising the minimum wage by a few thousand dollars or shortening time for players to reach FA has NOTHING to do w/BDWJr not signing quality free agents this offseason.
Using the upcoming negotiations is an EXCUSE for not signing quality FA's Dewitt is using, just as he's used the "re-set" lie the last two seasons to slash payroll by MULTI-MILLIONS.
Some moves have been good. Some not so good.
The way it is.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
History: the study of past events
Going forward into 2026, he's a skinflint.
Maybe expenses need to be at or just below revenues.
As in the rock household.
Raising the minimum wage by a few thousand dollars or shortening time for players to reach FA has NOTHING to do w/BDWJr not signing quality free agents this offseason.
Using the upcoming negotiations is an EXCUSE for not signing quality FA's Dewitt is using, just as he's used the "re-set" lie the last two seasons to slash payroll by MULTI-MILLIONS.
Some moves have been good. Some not so good.
The way it is.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
History: the study of past events
Going forward into 2026, he's a skinflint.
Maybe expenses need to be at or just below revenues.
As in the rock household.
I can see a $150M payroll during the re-build but NOT where it appears it's going if both NADO & Gray are dealt.
Bill doesn't seem to understand, since he wasn't here, that 1970's like attendance which he has now can and will stay that way unless he brings in some "star" players and the team competes.
Why watch $200M-$300+M in franchise capital gains slip away just to save $30-$40M?
Some moves have been good. Some not so good.
The way it is.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
History: the study of past events
Going forward into 2026, he's a skinflint.
Maybe expenses need to be at or just below revenues.
As in the rock household.
I can see a $150M payroll during the re-build but NOT where it appears it's going if both NADO & Gray are dealt.
Bill doesn't seem to understand, since he wasn't here, that 1970's like attendance which he has now can and will stay that way unless he brings in some "star" players and the team competes.
Why watch $200M-$300+M in franchise capital gains slip away just to save $30-$40M?
I’m all for bringing in “Star” players. Just don’t know how they can pay for absurd contracts.
And the guy who suggested those poor moves is gone after this weekend (or soon after).
So BDWJr shouldn't punish C. Bloom w/ a miniscule payroll just because Mo brought some horrible idea's to him and wasted multi-millions of his payroll dollars.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
History: the study of past events
Going forward into 2026, he's a skinflint.
Maybe expenses need to be at or just below revenues.
As in the rock household.
I can see a $150M payroll during the re-build but NOT where it appears it's going if both NADO & Gray are dealt.
Bill doesn't seem to understand, since he wasn't here, that 1970's like attendance which he has now can and will stay that way unless he brings in some "star" players and the team competes.
Why watch $200M-$300+M in franchise capital gains slip away just to save $30-$40M?
I’m all for bringing in “Star” players. Just don’t know how they can pay for absurd contracts.
I know he'll never play in that upper echelon (ie: Ohtain/Soto) level but there can still be some star players found just below.
I think Bloom will make some smart suggestions to Bill, much better than the one's Mo brought to him the last ten years.
What’s the ‘26 payroll with Gray, NA, WC traded? Assume paying half of NA
Let's assume BDWJr picks up 50% of NADO's and $10M of Gray's:
How about roughly $90-95M
So they could sign 3x30mil/yr contracts
2x40mil and 20mil
2x45mil
And still be well under 200mil payroll
Those Cardinals just can’t compete with the big markets…….should be more like if the Cards don’t spend like the stupidest POBO in baseball going forward they can maintain the same payroll as before AND have some elite players/winners
The very least Dewitt should do is let Bloom re-invest $40+M and he'd still have a payroll under $150M.
We won't sign any all-stars but Bloom may find a decent #3 starter or two and a hitter.
180-190 should be doable. Sign some stars, get a real manager, start winning again and fans will fill Busch. This isn’t difficult.
Easily but not going to happen.
Just reading K. Woo and she's basically saying the full "re-build" is on at seasons end and Dewitt's looking at it lasting 2-3 years, so no money coming from the skinflint.
History says he’s not a skinflint.
History: the study of past events
Going forward into 2026, he's a skinflint.
Maybe expenses need to be at or just below revenues.
As in the rock household.
I can see a $150M payroll during the re-build but NOT where it appears it's going if both NADO & Gray are dealt.
Bill doesn't seem to understand, since he wasn't here, that 1970's like attendance which he has now can and will stay that way unless he brings in some "star" players and the team competes.
Why watch $200M-$300+M in franchise capital gains slip away just to save $30-$40M?
I’m all for bringing in “Star” players. Just don’t know how they can pay for absurd contracts.
I know he'll never play in that upper echelon (ie: Ohtain/Soto) level but there can still be some star players found just below.
I think Bloom will make some smart suggestions to Bill, much better than the one's Mo brought to him the last ten years.
