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Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.

There is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.

I think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.

The owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.

The Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.

There is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.

I think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.

The owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.

The Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.

What the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pm

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.

There is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.

I think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.

The owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.

The Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.

What the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.

Most every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.

Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.

Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.

NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.

govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 19:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:03 pm

govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 14:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 am

cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.

Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.

The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.

A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.

Kansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.

no they were in the WS, but have only won 2 in their lifetime

Correct. The won 3 super bowls in 5 years.

WRONG--please Google see below

Kansas City Royals, American professional baseball team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Royals have won four American League (AL) pennants and two World Series championships (1985 and 2015).

lordoffatness wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 10:38 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 20:31 pm

govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 19:23 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:03 pm

govman wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 14:00 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 am

cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.

Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.

The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.

A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.

Kansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.

no they were in the WS, but have only won 2 in their lifetime

Correct. The won 3 super bowls in 5 years.

WRONG--please Google see below

Kansas City Royals, American professional baseball team based in Kansas City, Missouri. The Royals have won four American League (AL) pennants and two World Series championships (1985 and 2015).

The super bowl is football.

How many super bowls has the salary cap helped the Browns, Bills, Dolphins and Jets win?

The NFL is largely a QB league. More teams have won world series over the past 10 years (7) than Super Bowls (6). And of the last 10 super bowls, 6 were won by Mahomes or Brady (2 with Pats, 1 with Bucs),

There is definitely payroll inequity in MLB, but you could argue MLB has more parity than the NFL. The Dodgers have kind of broken things for the moment, but spending crazy money hasn't helped the Mets, Phillies, Yankees, etc.

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 14:45 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pm

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.

There is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.

I think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.

The owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.

The Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.

What the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.

Most every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.

Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.

Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.

NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.

They don't hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 23:47 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 20:29 pm

dugoutrex wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026 17:18 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 06:40 am

cardstatman wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 22:52 pm I don't understand how a salary cap fixes anything for Cleveland.

Their revenue remains the same and they say they can only spend $100M on payroll now.

The answer is more revenue sharing. If the revenue was more equal, then the salary cap would not be necessary.

A salary cap just forces the Yankees/Dodgers/Cubs owners to pocket a lot of money or invest huge dollars in something other than payroll. The Yankees and Cubs owners are already voluntarily doing just that.

Kansas City won the super bowl 3 times in 5 years. They win the world series once every 40 years. That's what a payroll cap does for a sport.

didn't work for the NFL in Stl - how many years did we have pro football and we got 1 little title
meanwhile ... 11 titles in 100 some years of baseball

It worked after they enacted the payroll cap. Then the fools fired Martz and went back to losing. You notice the Cowboys haven't won anything in a long time. Jerry Jones can't buy the super bowl now.

lol - Mikey was the worst head coach in the league

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 18:33 pm

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 14:45 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 13:07 pm

makesnosense wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 12:34 pm

Bubble4427 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2026 11:03 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:38 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:33 am

alw80 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026 10:11 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026 23:51 pm Amen to a cap, a floor and some form of revenue sharing. Whatever it takes to restore competitive balance.

There is already revenue sharing. Be better at running your business and stop asking for handouts.

I think there should be some revenue sharing but not to extent it bails out poorly ran franchises. You make a valid point that some can’t understand.

The owners don't share any of their financials, we don't really know what they're capable of spending we are just supposed to take they're word for it. Until they are open and honest there isn't a need for a cap.

The Braves books are open. They have been for over 10 years.
If the players can't read their books and figure out approximate revenue streams for other franchises...that's on them.

What the Braves books show has no correlation to what other teams make. The players should not have to approximate anything anyway. I will believe the owners are poor when they show me. I'm not for or against any of the suggestions made on this thread. I just believe the owners should be transparent.

Most every team knows what their local TV deal is. The national television deals are also known..
You mean to tell me that people can't figure out an approximate value of the rest of the unknowns based on the Braves?
Please.
Per Google:
MLB's national television broadcast rights for the 2026–2028 seasons are valued at approximately $800 million annually through new deals with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Netflix, following a major restructuring of rights. These contracts, which focus on national coverage rather than local games, are part of a broader,, more consolidated national media portfolio that includes FOX, Turner Sports, and Apple, aimed at keeping the league competitive in media revenue.

Key Deals (2026–2028): The new three-year deals average nearly $800 million per year.
ESPN: ~$550 million/year (exclusive weeknight games and MLB.TV).
NBC/Peacock: ~$200 million/year.
Netflix: ~$50 million/year.

Total National Revenue: Before the 2026 restructuring, 2024 national media rights were expected to generate $1.84 billion. The new deals, along with existing contracts with FOX and Turner, maintain a high-value,, yet shorter-term, national footprint.

NOTE : The Dodgers LOCAL deal gets them 334 Million annually...the Cardinals get 40. So between the National and local broadcast rights...the Cardinals will make less than 80 million while the Dodgers make almost 5X that.
If you are a fan of any of the 15 smaller market teams...why even go to a game? The game is dying and fans need a reason to go to games.

They don't hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers.

I don’t understand the point of your post. Who doesn’t hire accountants and lawyers for those numbers? Plenty of information is available to at least get a general idea of just how messed up the system is.
A monkey can check the numbers….an accountant isn’t even needed.