Sonny Gray to the Redsox

[ramfandan]

it's a good trade....face value, early indications. I'm elated. Of course you grade much later (several seasons), but again, early indications, we did well here.

Watching vid on Clarke love seeing his 'crossfire ' motion and how he can throw it outside low and left hitter was swinging at air .

This team could have quite the lefty pitchers in a couple years ... Libby, Doyle, and Clarke With Doyle and Clark very high velocity types

Quinn Mathews, Cooper Hjerpe & Ixan Henderson all say hello.

Teams lefty hitters will not be thrilled to face Cardinals pitchers. The righty reserves and bench bats will be .. Woohoo ! I get to bat in this series ! lol

[Talkin' Baseball]

it's a good trade....face value, early indications. I'm elated. Of course you grade much later (several seasons), but again, early indications, he did well here.

Ditto

We don't know the final cash BDWJr sent but could be as much as $15M(?) in payroll savings that he could let Bloom re-invest!

20MM per MLBTR

That's a net $15M savings, sure hope Dewitt let's Bloom reinvest it!

It's a 20M savings. We were on the hook for the 35M salary and then the 5M buyout. Now we pay 20M, save 20M.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Heres a thought. Bill had to bless off on this. Sign of things to come?

[rockondlouie]

it's a good trade....face value, early indications. I'm elated. Of course you grade much later (several seasons), but again, early indications, he did well here.

Ditto

We don't know the final cash BDWJr sent but could be as much as $15M(?) in payroll savings that he could let Bloom re-invest!

around $20M if I'm reading it correctly. Boston on the hook for 15M this year. I wonder if they had to pick up the Option for the Trade to go through?

From what I know the option transfers to the acquiring team.

So Gray's $35/2025 salary now cost the Cardinals only $20M equaling a $15M payroll savings if they didn't have to pay for the buyout option.

I'm just pumped that Bloom jumped the market, moved Gray quickly and now can concentrate on NADO, Donovan, ect...

And I was told NOTHING could be done before the Winter Meetings…..
Bloom is making his market not waiting around for MO’s “Developing Market”

SLOOOOOOOO----MOOOOOOO----IS----NOOOOOOOOOOOO MOOOOOOOOOOOO

Now it's "Bloom" that rhymes with "ZOOM"!

Chaim "Zoom Zoom" Bloom

Love the aggressiveness, not sitting back waiting for the Winter Meetings!

Now on to NADO/Donovan

[Shady]

nm

[rockondlouie]

it's a good trade....face value, early indications. I'm elated. Of course you grade much later (several seasons), but again, early indications, he did well here.

Ditto

We don't know the final cash BDWJr sent but could be as much as $15M(?) in payroll savings that he could let Bloom re-invest!

20MM per MLBTR

That's a net $15M savings, sure hope Dewitt let's Bloom reinvest it!

It's a 20M savings. We were on the hook for the 35M salary and then the 5M buyout. Now we pay 20M, save 20M.

You're right!

I was just referring to the 2026 payroll savings of $15M but total it's a $20M savings.

C'mon Mr Dewitt, let Bloom reinvest that in FA's or acquiring ML players!

[rockondlouie]

Will the Cardinals not be paying any of Gray's remaining salary?

Paying $20M..............saving $20M

[zuck698]

Will the Cardinals not be paying any of Gray's remaining salary?

Did you not happen to read the first 8 pages of the post?

[ClassicO]

All-in-all, it sounds like the Cardinals get the kind of ML-ready, higher floor/if lower ceiling prospect (Fitts) that I thought they would get for Gray, and a somewhat lower floor/higher ceiling prospect (Clarke) who is maybe a couple of years away.

Hopefully the Cardinals pitcher development system is ready to help Clarke develop a third pitch and get him the weapons he needs to be a middle-to-front of rotation SP in the majors by the end of 2027/ST 2028.

I like it overall.

Ha. I just wrote much the same on the thread with the BA analysis. They weren’t going to get much so why not take risks for hi-po guys?

[rockondlouie]

Bloom, who was head of baseball operations for the Red Sox before being fired, now is relying on the Red Sox to jump-start his rebuild.

He made it clear that instead of just dumping payroll, they needed prospects in return, and were willing to pay about half of the remainder of Gray’s contract.

-Yahoo.com

[Bob Kunush]

So much for geographic location for Sonny I guess.

Yes. Between hometown discounts and geographical locations, hard to distinguish which of the two is a greater myth.

He addressed this. Said he is close to the end of his career and wants one more chance to win. He was more open to other locations than when he signed his last deal. He was hoping the Cardinals would be the last team but it didnt work out.

[Goldfan]

Clarke looks the part.

[2ninr]

All-in-all, it sounds like the Cardinals get the kind of ML-ready, higher floor/if lower ceiling prospect (Fitts) that I thought they would get for Gray, and a somewhat lower floor/higher ceiling prospect (Clarke) who is maybe a couple of years away.

I like it overall.

On the surface appears to be an outstanding potential return + salary relief!

Just the kind of prospect I was hoping for when Bloom dealt Gray.

Now lets get another one, maybe even a major league starter w/years of control left, for Donny.

They should definitely get more value for Donovan, whatever form that value comes in.

I’d be preferable to a major league starter with years of control.

My "wish list" is Nolan McLean from the Mets.

I have seen Noah Cameron mentioned as well.

McLean is a MUCH higher upside choice than Cameron. FG has McLean right now as the #12 prospect in MLB. Cameron topped out at #88.

I would prefer McLean as well. However I don’t know if Donny can reel you in a #12 prospect. Fine player. But not that fine

I'd add pieces - Romero, Henderson, Pages/Crooks - something - to get that done if need be.

Might have to send a pitching prospect back along with BD to get it done.

[ScotchMIrish]

Clarke 60 K 27 walks in 38 IP in 2025

Bloom said he wants hard throwers. Clarke will have to get the walks down if he wants to be more than a 1 inning pitcher in MLB.

[woofy25]

it's a good trade....face value, early indications. I'm elated. Of course you grade much later (several seasons), but again, early indications, he did well here.

Ditto

We don't know the final cash BDWJr sent but could be as much as $15M(?) in payroll savings that he could let Bloom re-invest!

around $20M if I'm reading it correctly. Boston on the hook for 15M this year. I wonder if they had to pick up the Option for the Trade to go through?

From what I know the option transfers to the acquiring team.

So Gray's $35/2025 salary now cost the Cardinals only $20M equaling a $15M payroll savings if they didn't have to pay for the buyout option.

I'm just pumped that Bloom jumped the market, moved Gray quickly and now can concentrate on NADO, Donovan, ect...

You have to look at as $20M saved, b/c had they kept Gray they'd be on the hook for the additional $5M. They are clearly saving $20M, $15M for 2026 and $5M for 2027.

[Carp4Cy]

Bet. High level third base prospect or left fielder. Any takers.

Nope, a 26 yo bad pitcher, an injury risk who hasn't surpassed A ball, and a PTBNL.