He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm
As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.
The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.
The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.
How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.
It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.
Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?
Herrera is poor defensively as a catcher.
Simply replace Walker with him.
Walker probably has the highest ceiling on the team. And just turned 23 in May. Might have the longest runway. Herrera has nowhere near his power.
It's past time to stop worrying about a player's ceiling and start looking at results.
Herrera has shown us so far a helluva lot more and that's all that matters, just like winning
You and your boys on Clark Street have forgotten that.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm
As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.
The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.
The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.
How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.
It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.
Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?
Herrera is poor defensively as a catcher.
Simply replace Walker with him.
Walker probably has the highest ceiling on the team. And just turned 23 in May. Might have the longest runway. Herrera has nowhere near his power.
It's past time to stop worrying about a player's ceiling and start looking at results.
Herrera has shown us so far a helluva lot more and that's all that matters, just like winning
You and your boys on Clark Street have forgotten that.
“You and your boys on Clark Street”. ???
I have no connection with the Cardinals, other than being a fan, like many on CT.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
Randy Karraker told a story on his livestream just yesterday: he talked to Adam Wainwright about the Scherzer deal. Max told Waino to tell his bosses that he would accept a hometown deal of (I believe) $187 over 7. He eventually signed with the Nats for 7/$210. The Cardinals wouldn’t give him an extra $10 million over seven years ($10 million TOTAL, not per year) to get to the $187.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
Randy Karraker told a story on his livestream just yesterday: he talked to Adam Wainwright about the Scherzer deal. Max told Waino to tell his bosses that he would accept a hometown deal of (I believe) $187 over 7. He eventually signed with the Nats for 7/$210. The Cardinals wouldn’t give him an extra $10 million over seven years ($10 million TOTAL, not per year) to get to the $187.
They deserve every (drat) empty seat they have.
Not sure what that means. The empty seats have nothing to do with Scherzer.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
Randy Karraker told a story on his livestream just yesterday: he talked to Adam Wainwright about the Scherzer deal. Max told Waino to tell his bosses that he would accept a hometown deal of (I believe) $187 over 7. He eventually signed with the Nats for 7/$210. The Cardinals wouldn’t give him an extra $10 million over seven years ($10 million TOTAL, not per year) to get to the $187.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
Randy Karraker told a story on his livestream just yesterday: he talked to Adam Wainwright about the Scherzer deal. Max told Waino to tell his bosses that he would accept a hometown deal of (I believe) $187 over 7. He eventually signed with the Nats for 7/$210. The Cardinals wouldn’t give him an extra $10 million over seven years ($10 million TOTAL, not per year) to get to the $187.
They deserve every (drat) empty seat they have.
They’re just awful people, rat. Terrible.
Love to see the greatest hits…you just can post “A” next time. Save the keyboard.
What does the Scherzer move have to do with empty seats? As has been said above, Max probably gets you a deep run if not a WS in 15. 1-2 more playoffs in 16-17-18, maybe you go even deeper in 19. You definitely sign scrubs like Mike Leake and Miles Mikolas. You extend the run and don’t start getting desperate. You pay more for what you actually need.
11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm
As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.
The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.
The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.
How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.
It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.
Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?
Herrera is poor defensively as a catcher.
Simply replace Walker with him.
Walker probably has the highest ceiling on the team. And just turned 23 in May. Might have the longest runway. Herrera has nowhere near his power.
It's past time to stop worrying about a player's ceiling and start looking at results.
Herrera has shown us so far a helluva lot more and that's all that matters, just like winning
You and your boys on Clark Street have forgotten that.
I have far more belief in Herrera developing more power than walker figuring out how to hit
11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm
As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.
The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.
The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.
How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.
It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.
Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?
Herrera is poor defensively as a catcher.
Simply replace Walker with him.
Walker probably has the highest ceiling on the team. And just turned 23 in May. Might have the longest runway. Herrera has nowhere near his power.
It's past time to stop worrying about a player's ceiling and start looking at results.
Herrera has shown us so far a helluva lot more and that's all that matters, just like winning
You and your boys on Clark Street have forgotten that.
I have far more belief in Herrera developing more power than walker figuring out how to hit
That’s a strong assessment. Herrera might develop a slight more. That would mean Walker remains stagnant. Very bad.
I too root for the kid. Too much potential to fail so far.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
Thinking this team could compete on AAA is wishful thinking.
They are not a good team ..roster has a lot of problems...no stars...no excitement..ballpark is dead...and worst of all, they are boring...but we were once good and fun with stars! DeTwit and Mo-ran have given a big [fork] you to the fanbase!
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
Thinking this team could compete on AAA is wishful thinking.
They are not a good team ..roster has a lot of problems...no stars...no excitement..ballpark is dead...and worst of all, they are boring...but we were once good and fun with stars! DeTwit and Mo-ran have given a big [fork] you to the fanbase!
This is true and anyone with 1/2 a brain should see this.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around
Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like
They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?
Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.
2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.
2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.
They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.
And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.
Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.
And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.
I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.
Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.
It's true, but August was a little late to fix the rotation.
St. Louis led the majors with a 2.94 ERA but began springing leaks late in the season when 14-game winner Carlos Martinez was shut down for the rest of the year with a shoulder injury. After Lackey dominated in Game 1, allowing two hits in 7 1-3 innings, the starters the rest of the way were battered for 13 runs in a combined nine innings.
Not one of Jaime Garcia's 5 runs were earned but he fell apart defensively. We had a lot of bad luck; not the least of it was a torn Achilles which didn't heal in time for Waino's return. My recollection was the injuries to several pitchers happened in a very untimely manner leaving little, if any, chance to fix before the postseason.
The fact is, however, this was a great team during the season bummed by too many injuries to bounce back from....
Mozeliak and DeWitt should never be allowed to forget their failure to at the very least contact Max Scherzer’s agent during the 2014 offseason.
With Scherzer on this team they probably beat the Cubs in 2015, and they wouldn’t have missed the postseason in 2016-2018.
Would have loved it if Scherzer had become a Cardinal. But, that was a helluva contract Washington gave him. They are still paying him handsomely and he's been gone quite a while....
Randy Karraker told a story on his livestream just yesterday: he talked to Adam Wainwright about the Scherzer deal. Max told Waino to tell his bosses that he would accept a hometown deal of (I believe) $187 over 7. He eventually signed with the Nats for 7/$210. The Cardinals wouldn’t give him an extra $10 million over seven years ($10 million TOTAL, not per year) to get to the $187.
They deserve every (drat) empty seat they have.
They’re just awful people, rat. Terrible.
They may not be awful people but their tightwad approach, coupled with the idiot Mozeliak lighting a match to $ 400, 000,000 over the past 8-9 years, while ignoring the farm system’s decline has many fans upset.
