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Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:21 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:13 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:20 am

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 am

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 am

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 am

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:15 am

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:27 pm

82birds wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:24 pm let's just say, like a lot experts are saying, that it's Willits or Arnold.

who would you prefer?

I'm great with both.

gun to my head? I'll go with the guy who'll likely get their faster...Arnold...barring injury. But I want Willits alot.

you?

what do you like so much about Willits?

close to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.

Maybe help 5 years from now?

that depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.

I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.

Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many

Aren’t these truisms (facts)?

1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.

2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.

Willits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.

Agree to disagree. You seek Arquette, I respect that.

I guess I'm just gun shy regarding high school position players after Calvin Hayes, Pete Kozma, Charlie Tilson, Nick Plummer, Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, Tre Fletcher, Jordan Walker, Joshua Baez, etc.

Since 2000 the Cardinals have 7 players that were 1st round picks that have 10+ bWAR for their careers. 4 college players (3 arms, 1 position player) and 3 are high school players (2 arms, 1 position player). You have flameouts on both sides of the aisle in this conversation.

They simply have to go BPA.

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:56 pm

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:21 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:13 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:20 am

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 am

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 am

Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 am

craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:15 am

craviduce wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:27 pm

82birds wrote: ↑09 Jul 2025 22:24 pm let's just say, like a lot experts are saying, that it's Willits or Arnold.

who would you prefer?

I'm great with both.

gun to my head? I'll go with the guy who'll likely get their faster...Arnold...barring injury. But I want Willits alot.

you?

what do you like so much about Willits?

close to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.

Maybe help 5 years from now?

that depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.

I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.

Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many

Aren’t these truisms (facts)?

1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.

2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.

Willits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.

Agree to disagree. You seek Arquette, I respect that.

I guess I'm just gun shy regarding high school position players after Calvin Hayes, Pete Kozma, Charlie Tilson, Nick Plummer, Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, Tre Fletcher, Jordan Walker, Joshua Baez, etc.

Since 2000 the Cardinals have 7 players that were 1st round picks that have 10+ bWAR for their careers. 4 college players (3 arms, 1 position player) and 3 are high school players (2 arms, 1 position player). You have flameouts on both sides of the aisle in this conversation.

They simply have to go BPA.

They have had a lot of luck with college pitchers that they either kept or used as trade chips to fill holes.

CrazyForMyRedbirdsInLA wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:45 pm Can someone please remind me why we don't have a 2nd pick until 55?

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:51 pm

CrazyForMyRedbirdsInLA wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 15:45 pm Can someone please remind me why we don't have a 2nd pick until 55?

Comp picks after round 1 and the rest of the draft after the 1st round is based off of actual standings, which we were like somewhere between 15th-18th in 2024.

Ty Webb wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 07:19 am USA Today has their final mock out today.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 522437007/

1 Holliday
2 Anderson
3 Arquette
4 Willits
5. St. Louis Cardinals: Liam Doyle, LHP, Tennessee

In this scenario, the Cardinals have their choice of remaining elite college lefties and opt for Doyle’s greater swing-and-miss upside over Florida State’s Jamie Arnold, though they may prove us wrong come draft night.

craviduce wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 10:19 am busy week for mocks. Thank you all for linking the newest mocks!!!!

a few more dropped this morning

https://www.baseballprospectjournal.com ... draft-4-0/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2025 ... nto-top-5/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

CBS has the M's taking Irish @ #3 .... I can see that happening. Wide open draft

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Be prepared for the possibility of a very wonky draft... see 2021....all those highly rated HS SS started falling on draft day, College players and catchers leapt to the top of the draft.

Adam2 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 10:41 am

craviduce wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 10:19 am busy week for mocks. Thank you all for linking the newest mocks!!!!

a few more dropped this morning

https://www.baseballprospectjournal.com ... draft-4-0/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2025 ... nto-top-5/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

CBS has the M's taking Irish @ #3 .... I can see that happening. Wide open draft

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Be prepared for the possibility of a very wonky draft... see 2021....all those highly rated HS SS started falling on draft day, College players and catchers leapt to the top of the draft.

Duce, if you've seen much of Willits, do you have a current comp?

Adam2 wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 10:41 am

craviduce wrote: ↑11 Jul 2025 10:19 am busy week for mocks. Thank you all for linking the newest mocks!!!!

a few more dropped this morning

https://www.baseballprospectjournal.com ... draft-4-0/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2025 ... nto-top-5/ Willits, SS, Ft.Cobb-Broxton HS, Okla

CBS has the M's taking Irish @ #3 .... I can see that happening. Wide open draft

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Be prepared for the possibility of a very wonky draft... see 2021....all those highly rated HS SS started falling on draft day, College players and catchers leapt to the top of the draft.

Duce, if you've seen much of Willits, do you have a current comp?