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Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 20:53 pm
by Clubmaker2
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?
This is a nothing move
Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C, because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years
Yawn
Like anything that has transpired, will be contributing
I agree. However, you could argue Contreras may not contribute, either.
He could get injured in Spring Training and never step on the field for the Red Sox for 2026, then the Owners lock out the players for all 2027.
I think you have to at least evaluate it from the perspective they received three potential pitchers including one that did pitch in the majors as recently as July; which improves the odds they contribute at some point.
that is some reaching [nonsense] there. yea, I wouldnt want for league minimum Ohtani cause well, he could get hurt and never step on the field for 2026...... What a way to try to totally toss out the fact that one player is a proven, established MLB player lol and others not completed a full season establishing themselves. Horse feathers.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 20:53 pm
by MrPostman01
The same folks with life shortening impatience and cynicism are the same people who thought we fleeced the Marlins with the Ozuna trade.
https://stlbullpen.com/2025/07/25/cardi ... e-history/
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 20:55 pm
by AZ_Cardsfan
I'm not sure what people thought the return on Contreras would be. He had a little excess value but not huge. I think the telling part of this for the DeWitt haters is he COULD have dumped Contreras and got back nothing and instead sent money to get talent in return.
Same happened for the Gray deal. Yes, the salary levels this year will be very low. But they ARE spending money to prime the farm. Will it be successful? How do I know. But it shows to me they aren't doing this rebuild as lip service. They are executing a plan.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 20:58 pm
by scoutyjones2
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?
This is a nothing move
Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C, because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years
Yawn
Like anything that has transpired, will be contributing
I agree. However, you could argue Contreras may not contribute, either. He could get injured in Spring Training and never step on the field for the Red Sox for 2026, then the Owners lock out the players for all 2027.
I think you have to at least evaluate it from the perspective they received three potential pitchers including one that did pitch in the majors as recently as July; which improves the odds they contribute at some point.
None of those will be pitching for the Cards in 2026 or 2027
Pitcher more likely to get injured
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:03 pm
by Ozziesfan41
juan good eye wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:47 pm
Would’ve preferred more quality over quantity but glad to see another general move in the right direction and the official end to the WC era.
They weren’t ever going to get top level prospects for Contreras he’s a solid complimentary player on a good team he’s not the guy. At his age and his contract the best they could do is about what they did one who can attribute this season in the rotation and a couple of intriguing arms at the lower levels
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:08 pm
by WaltsSuccessor
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:58 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?
This is a nothing move
Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C, because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years
Yawn
Like anything that has transpired, will be contributing
I agree. However, you could argue Contreras may not contribute, either. He could get injured in Spring Training and never step on the field for the Red Sox for 2026, then the Owners lock out the players for all 2027.
I think you have to at least evaluate it from the perspective they received three potential pitchers including one that did pitch in the majors as recently as July; which improves the odds they contribute at some point.
None of those will be pitching for the Cards in 2026 or 2027
Pitcher more likely to get injured
Why won't Dobbins be pitching for us this year (or 2027)?? Yeah he tore his ACL in July, but it wasn't a UCL. He won't be out the whole season because of the knee injury.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:08 pm
by Swuhgen
Get rid of Nado and the team will have zero contracts other than May.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:13 pm
by RunSup
Meh... on the return for Contreras. More back of the rotation prospects according to scouting reports. We already have these guys.
If this is what they get for Donovan, just keep him.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:15 pm
by NYCardsFan
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:16 pm
by craviduce
according to a few Red Sox fans on another site, Dobbins is scheduled to throw off a mound soon, if he hasn't already. Looks like he might just be ready for Spring Training...barring a set back.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:17 pm
by craviduce
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:18 pm
by scoutyjones2
RunSup wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 21:13 pm
Meh... on the return for Contreras. More back of the rotation prospects according to scouting reports. We already have these guys.
If this is what they get for Donovan, just keep him.
Is this what CT expects and accepts from Bloom? Midwest Red Sox
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:18 pm
by 12xu
Re: My ESP says Cardinal trade within next two hours
Post by 12xu » 11 Dec 2025 08:56 am
Within next two weeks Bloom will make a trade. Carve it in stone.
So it came to pass, and may be a good one, maybe not so much - time will tell.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:19 pm
by Bushiro
craviduce wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:17 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:10 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:58 pm
2ninr wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:49 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:30 pm
Hoosier59 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:23 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:21 pm
No-Mo-Mo wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 19:19 pm
This is all they can get for Contreras? Lolol
What did you think they were going to get for him lol
Mo could have gotten more than this!
Mo would have kept him got nothing for him and the cardinals would have still missed the playoffs the next two years with him then he would have left with nothing to show in return
^^^^^^^.
Thanks Oz. This really is the truth.
That’s always the excuse for salary dumps. We could have competed in 2027 if Bill was willing to try.
As it is we are getting back long shots and non needle moving role players. Filler and the dreaded innings eaters.
I understand. I really do. People want to win. But this roster that was put together is incapable of it with the amount of money they would need to spend to make it competitive vs the amount of money they actually have to spend plus the big contracts they already had. They are rebuilding. Hopefully it is a short one.
I think the "GO Point" will be when the Rotation becomes strong. We're gathering assets by the bunches right now. And AAA is looking mighty juicy with pitching talent in 2026. Springfield, too, will have the Likes of Doyle and maybe Clarke.
Let's assume for the sake of this exercise we're keeping Libby and McGreevy as future cogs in the rotation....we would need 3 of the following to make it to the BIGs and succeed enough to cement a place in the rotation : Henderson, Mathews, Doyle, Mautz, Clarke, Franklin....3 of the 6. And still having the "next men up" in Memphis.
From there, you can starting trading your piled up assets in Springfield/Peoria for offensive MLB gems for your lineup. I love the potential Wetherholt, but he's not going to be able to do it on his own.
All eyes are on the Pitching prospects, imo....or that's where our eyes should be.
Hopefully Clarke can stay healthy so he can continue to develop....because his stuff looks nasty to me....he could be a good one
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:22 pm
by BleedingBleu
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:58 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?
This is a nothing move
Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C,
because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years
Yawn
Like anything that has transpired, will be contributing
I agree. However, you could argue Contreras may not contribute, either. He could get injured in Spring Training and never step on the field for the Red Sox for 2026, then the Owners lock out the players for all 2027.
I think you have to at least evaluate it from the perspective they received three potential pitchers including one that did pitch in the majors as recently as July; which improves the odds they contribute at some point.
None of those will be pitching for the Cards in 2026 or 2027
Pitcher more likely to get injured
Correct. This was already established, and one is already on the IL, probably for the entire 2026 season. The whole thing is hypothetical. However, its not a certainty and the fact Bloom is focusing on pitching depth suggests the attempts to mitigate pitching injuries with… more viable pitchers in the system.
BTW, have you seen Willson Contreras’
injury history? At least 10 trips to the injured list.
Yes, the frequency was higher as a Catcher, yet he still had a stint last year. They get more frequent the older they get.
That said, you cannot prove Willson Contreras will start Opening Day for the Red Sox anymore than any of the 3 Pitchers being an effective asset for the Cardinals.
Re: Contreras to Red Sox
Posted: 21 Dec 2025 21:23 pm
by BleedingBleu
Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:53 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:40 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:34 pm
BleedingBleu wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:21 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2025 20:00 pm
So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?
This is a nothing move
Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C, because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years
Yawn
Like anything that has transpired, will be contributing
I agree. However, you could argue Contreras may not contribute, either.
He could get injured in Spring Training and never step on the field for the Red Sox for 2026, then the Owners lock out the players for all 2027.
I think you have to at least evaluate it from the perspective they received three potential pitchers including one that did pitch in the majors as recently as July; which improves the odds they contribute at some point.
that is some reaching [nonsense] there.
Of course it is. That was the point. He can’t prove all three pitchers will get injured and or fail to be a valuable return asset anymore than he can prove Willson Contreras will be starting Opening Day for the Red Sox
