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Re: Goold post on Walker making significant changes

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redbirdfan51 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 11:26 am Absolutely ditch the open stance and go to a more closed stance and maybe even try a little crouch. Pitch selection is also very critical.
Pitch recognition would doubtless improve if he worked more at making the outside breaking pitches less attractive to pitchers by closing his stance.
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C-Unit wrote: 29 Nov 2025 14:36 pm
renostl wrote: 29 Nov 2025 13:58 pm
C-Unit wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:53 am
renostl wrote: 28 Nov 2025 22:17 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 21:11 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 28 Nov 2025 18:12 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 17:43 pm Walker would do well to study videos of George Hendrick.
Hendrick had a flat quick swing and a closed batting stance.
It allowed him to cover the outside edge and drive balls with authority.
And he was quick enough with his hands to turn on balls in the middle of the zone - or pull his hands in and let his short level swing pull the ball.
This is EXACTLY what Walker needs to do.
He naturally makes hard contact, so he does not need to cheat on inside pitches - and yet that is exactly what he does.
And because is too often looking middle in with his overly open stance, it leaves him susceptible to every pitch which breaks away.
In other words, Walker does the precise opposite of what he should be doing - and is doing so at the urging of the Cardinals.
The best thing that could happen for him is to be traded to an organization with competent coaches.
Excellent point.
You must have seen Hendrick play.
Anyone who did can see the similarity between the two players - build, swing, hard contact, etc.
By the way, Hendrick struggles badly his first 2 seasons playing MLB ball at age 21 and 22.
Oakland traded him after he hit .185/.206/.306.
With that change of scenery - and a new coaching staff - he broke out.
George played 18 years and only reached 25 HR twice.
But he went to 4 ASG.
Walker should learn from that.
Hendrick started closed and stayed closed on everything except the inside strike. Then he was mostly neutral. He practically hit against a stiff front leg post and went opposite field often.
It's an interesting comparison and has it merits. I doubt it is an approach that will be taught or trained for anytime soon and just as important any player adopting a practice that decreases the HR potential.
Not debating right or wrong but do you see a player embracing that approach?

Walkers stance starts open. Doesn't necessarily stay
His most often landing spot is neutral. An issue of inconsistency. Too much movement for a strong man not needing it, JMO, he lost balance and consistency.
Load, stay short. Balance will decrease his chasing of the outside off the plate

Everyone here thinks we have an answer. Mine is as much garbage as anyone here, perhaps more. There are skills in the guy. He hits despite low confidence, poor balance and very little buy in to a process.
That's where it starts or may sadly end for him and the team for he could be a difference maker.
Giancarlo Stanton is an example of a hitter on the taller side who went towards more of a closed stance. He chops with his swing like he's swinging an axe at a tree, able to turn his hands over and still slice a home run to RF.

I do agree Walker appears too open, especially when you see him finish with that upper-cut, back knee dropped and hips open on a pitch away. He has the size and strength to send balls out the other way without doing all of that.
A lot of guys start open. It's as much of a timing mechanism along with a weight movement as
anything. They close when the pitch is started. I went deeper what I seen in the past.
The problems in a nutshell with JW is JW is inconsistent where lands. Moves his balance
and loses his natural flow and power versus just staying back. The plate becomes 2 feet wide. Too many keystrokes
to keep repeating. Besides it is all opinion by a hack not near the player.


IF the reports are accurate it sounds like a great start and less moving parts. It still needs JW's buy in which
requires early success along, tremendous amount of work, and commitment to it when not successful
or slumping. We'll see, easier to fail than succeed. Especially when letting go of what
worked well enough to get drafted.
Yeah. George Springer that's another good right-handed power hitter with a habit of hitting HRs out to rightfield. What would you say about his swing.
Perfectly fine to hit to all fields.
Springer hits a vast majority of his HR's pull side and from a neutral position.
Hendrick was fairly unique, different time.
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Re: Goold post on Walker making significant changes

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 11:23 am
Voldemort wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:50 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:42 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:21 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:15 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:43 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:31 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:16 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:23 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 07:59 am What a revelation by JW and driveline…..loose and relaxed at plate until ready to explode through ball….amazing cutting edge never seen before teachings :lol: :lol: :lol:
Guess one is either a fan or not Goldfan. What are you?
Who are you. Who. Who. I really want to know.
Just a fan, SB, who gets tired of another fan constantly bashing the Cardinals at every turn.
Cranny’s fan obligation
To praise every move by the owner, FO, manager and players.
Demonstrated by Cranny himself backing, trumpeting, and skewering ANY poster who dare have a difference of opinion with the last FO as they ran the great Cards organization in to ground…..to the point where its in total rebuild now with winning years off in the distance.
So who is the fool??
The blind ownership homer
Or the fan who saw the obvious downfall and wrote about it
Goldfan - When the Cards do something good, I laud it. When they do something that doesn’t make sense, I call them out for it. That’s a far cry from the constant bashing you do.

BDW is considering a contract extension for Oli…..now why would I write here supporting a stupid move like that.
JW has regressed to the point of needing to show for a full AAA season that he can dominate. But instead we’re being fed propaganda stories through Goold that a great awakening has occurred and JW now knows not to stand at the plate like a statue…..so the team can convince fans that this guy showed be the staring lineup again in ‘26.
And for the records I just praised Bloom for being quick on the draw and trading Gray….so update your tally about “always bashing”…..
Glad you’re giving Bloom a chance. The bashing of the Dewitts, Mo, Oli, etc. was so very redundant and monotonous.
Well if they didn’t give ample opportunity to bash…..there would be no bashing….
You’re like a critic of the victim of a crime because they were standing in the wrong location and got robbed while you speak nothing or defend the perp.
Golden country. Your face is so red. With all of your money, your poor could be feed.

You act concerned, but then why turn away; when a lady was raped, on your doorstep today. REO
The time has come for you my friend
To all this ugliness we must put an end
Before we leave we must make a stand
Some fine guitar work by Richwrath. I think I spelled that right. Especially off the -live get what you play for- album.
No w in the last name. Richrath. He wrote the song Golden Country and died in 2015. Golden Country was on REO TWO. Concerning REO, As you and I know, you can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish.
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Re: Goold post on Walker making significant changes

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Melville wrote: 29 Nov 2025 15:08 pm
C-Unit wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:53 am
renostl wrote: 28 Nov 2025 22:17 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 21:11 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 28 Nov 2025 18:12 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 17:43 pm Walker would do well to study videos of George Hendrick.
Hendrick had a flat quick swing and a closed batting stance.
It allowed him to cover the outside edge and drive balls with authority.
And he was quick enough with his hands to turn on balls in the middle of the zone - or pull his hands in and let his short level swing pull the ball.
This is EXACTLY what Walker needs to do.
He naturally makes hard contact, so he does not need to cheat on inside pitches - and yet that is exactly what he does.
And because is too often looking middle in with his overly open stance, it leaves him susceptible to every pitch which breaks away.
In other words, Walker does the precise opposite of what he should be doing - and is doing so at the urging of the Cardinals.
The best thing that could happen for him is to be traded to an organization with competent coaches.
Excellent point.
You must have seen Hendrick play.
Anyone who did can see the similarity between the two players - build, swing, hard contact, etc.
By the way, Hendrick struggles badly his first 2 seasons playing MLB ball at age 21 and 22.
Oakland traded him after he hit .185/.206/.306.
With that change of scenery - and a new coaching staff - he broke out.
George played 18 years and only reached 25 HR twice.
But he went to 4 ASG.
Walker should learn from that.
Hendrick started closed and stayed closed on everything except the inside strike. Then he was mostly neutral. He practically hit against a stiff front leg post and went opposite field often.
It's an interesting comparison and has it merits. I doubt it is an approach that will be taught or trained for anytime soon and just as important any player adopting a practice that decreases the HR potential.
Not debating right or wrong but do you see a player embracing that approach?

Walkers stance starts open. Doesn't necessarily stay
His most often landing spot is neutral. An issue of inconsistency. Too much movement for a strong man not needing it, JMO, he lost balance and consistency.
Load, stay short. Balance will decrease his chasing of the outside off the plate

Everyone here thinks we have an answer. Mine is as much garbage as anyone here, perhaps more. There are skills in the guy. He hits despite low confidence, poor balance and very little buy in to a process.
That's where it starts or may sadly end for him and the team for he could be a difference maker.
Giancarlo Stanton is an example of a hitter on the taller side who went towards more of a closed stance. He chops with his swing like he's swinging an axe at a tree, able to turn his hands over and still slice a home run to RF.

I do agree Walker appears too open, especially when you see him finish with that upper-cut, back knee dropped and hips open on a pitch away. He has the size and strength to send balls out the other way without doing all of that.
You get it.
It would be a radical change for Walker. He doesn't swing the same way Stanton does. Stanton's swing was always more level even early in his career even when he stood open. Never really did an upper-cut. Walker may or may not be successful going that radical. The most important thing is just keeping his landing spot more straight forward towards the ball rather than open. Looking at the Springer video I see that being more achievable for Walker because Springer has a very similar upper-cut type of finish even when hitting to RF, just a better landing.
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Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 12:00 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:24 am
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:21 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:19 am
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:43 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:31 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:16 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:23 am

Guess one is either a fan or not Goldfan. What are you?
Who are you. Who. Who. I really want to know.
Just a fan, SB, who gets tired of another fan constantly bashing the Cardinals at every turn.
Cranny’s fan obligation
To praise every move by the owner, FO, manager and players.
Demonstrated by Cranny himself backing, trumpeting, and skewering ANY poster who dare have a difference of opinion with the last FO as they ran the great Cards organization in to ground…..to the point where its in total rebuild now with winning years off in the distance.
So who is the fool??
The blind ownership homer
Or the fan who saw the obvious downfall and wrote about it
Goldfan - When the Cards do something good, I laud it. When they do something that doesn’t make sense, I call them out for it. That’s a far cry from the constant bashing you do.

BDW is considering a contract extension for Oli…..now why would I write here supporting a stupid move like that.
JW has regressed to the point of needing to show for a full AAA season that he can dominate. But instead we’re being fed propaganda stories through Goold that a great awakening has occurred and JW now knows not to stand at the plate like a statue…..so the team can convince fans that this guy showed be the staring lineup again in ‘26.
And for the records I just praised Bloom for being quick on the draw and trading Gray….so update your tally about “always bashing”…..
A lot of fans like to see players putting in the effort to improve, and insight into those efforts is often high interest.

I don't know why it bothers you so much when you see stories about players working to improve. It is odd, though... especially the way you bash other fans who appreciate the details of what they're working on.
Walker needs to start and stay at AAA in ‘26. He can work on his muscles there. I’m tired of these experimentations on non-existent personal progress at the ML level. Find some players who have already discovered their inner muscle control and play ball at the ML level.
How did that offseason Carp hot yoga and best condition of his life work out??
How did that speed swing vid you were so impressed with work out with Noot??
Marginal players getting the offseason Goold propaganda piece does no service for the fans.
Really…. a ML player finally found out after 3 seasons of being a DOG that he shouldn’t stand up there like statue and he needs to relax his muscles??
You're tired of hearing about players trying to improve, and you bash fans who appreciate the insight into what players are working on in the offseason.

I still don't know why you feel the need to do that.
AOF to out to that spot on the W coast and put in the work……write an article…….that will have no bearing on the success of the Cards next season just like JW.
Show me a Cards prospect/Suspect that had a great turnaround doing these things. Give me the example…..after batting .200 the previous season
You act like no one knows that the Cardinals’ player development system was completely broken.

You want an example of a prospect putting in this type of work and getting better? Liam Doyle.
Doyle was just drafted :lol: :lol:
Give me name like Gorman, Walker, Carlson, TO, Bader, Noot who actually did this work and came out the next season and was a different player?
How did Doyle position himself to be at the top of the draft?

Why does it bother you that players try to get better? Does it bother you that they exercise and stay in shape, too? :lol:
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C-Unit wrote: 29 Nov 2025 15:36 pm
Melville wrote: 29 Nov 2025 15:08 pm
C-Unit wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:53 am
renostl wrote: 28 Nov 2025 22:17 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 21:11 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 28 Nov 2025 18:12 pm
Melville wrote: 28 Nov 2025 17:43 pm Walker would do well to study videos of George Hendrick.
Hendrick had a flat quick swing and a closed batting stance.
It allowed him to cover the outside edge and drive balls with authority.
And he was quick enough with his hands to turn on balls in the middle of the zone - or pull his hands in and let his short level swing pull the ball.
This is EXACTLY what Walker needs to do.
He naturally makes hard contact, so he does not need to cheat on inside pitches - and yet that is exactly what he does.
And because is too often looking middle in with his overly open stance, it leaves him susceptible to every pitch which breaks away.
In other words, Walker does the precise opposite of what he should be doing - and is doing so at the urging of the Cardinals.
The best thing that could happen for him is to be traded to an organization with competent coaches.
Excellent point.
You must have seen Hendrick play.
Anyone who did can see the similarity between the two players - build, swing, hard contact, etc.
By the way, Hendrick struggles badly his first 2 seasons playing MLB ball at age 21 and 22.
Oakland traded him after he hit .185/.206/.306.
With that change of scenery - and a new coaching staff - he broke out.
George played 18 years and only reached 25 HR twice.
But he went to 4 ASG.
Walker should learn from that.
Hendrick started closed and stayed closed on everything except the inside strike. Then he was mostly neutral. He practically hit against a stiff front leg post and went opposite field often.
It's an interesting comparison and has it merits. I doubt it is an approach that will be taught or trained for anytime soon and just as important any player adopting a practice that decreases the HR potential.
Not debating right or wrong but do you see a player embracing that approach?

Walkers stance starts open. Doesn't necessarily stay
His most often landing spot is neutral. An issue of inconsistency. Too much movement for a strong man not needing it, JMO, he lost balance and consistency.
Load, stay short. Balance will decrease his chasing of the outside off the plate

Everyone here thinks we have an answer. Mine is as much garbage as anyone here, perhaps more. There are skills in the guy. He hits despite low confidence, poor balance and very little buy in to a process.
That's where it starts or may sadly end for him and the team for he could be a difference maker.
Giancarlo Stanton is an example of a hitter on the taller side who went towards more of a closed stance. He chops with his swing like he's swinging an axe at a tree, able to turn his hands over and still slice a home run to RF.

I do agree Walker appears too open, especially when you see him finish with that upper-cut, back knee dropped and hips open on a pitch away. He has the size and strength to send balls out the other way without doing all of that.
You get it.
It would be a radical change for Walker. He doesn't swing the same way Stanton does. Stanton's swing was always more level even early in his career even when he stood open. Never really did an upper-cut. Walker may or may not be successful going that radical. The most important thing is just keeping his landing spot more straight forward towards the ball rather than open. Looking at the Springer video I see that being more achievable for Walker because Springer has a very similar upper-cut type of finish even when hitting to RF, just a better landing.
Respectfully, you have it backwards.
Walker came up with a flat, quick swing.
It was the Cardinals who already forced the radical change on Walker.
His natural swing is not an uppercut - trying to create that is what led to the issues to begin with.
He needs to leverage what has always been his best skill: a short, high impact, straight, level swing which creates hard hit balls.
He does not need to change.
He needs to abandon the change the Cardinals stupidly required.
Forget the exaggerated open stance which cheats for power.
Go back to consistent hard contact - which requires closing that stance.
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If you watched Walker in the final month of the season , he did not have an exaggerated open stance. Don't understand why several posters are saying he needs to ditch that when he ended the season pretty much square at the plate.

When he went to Driveline academy , you can see in this video he continues to be quite square in the batters box. According to Walker , the high tech analysis cameras etc. showed Walker's primary issue was his back hip collapsing into his swing.

Here is a video of Walker at Driveline. IF you watch it, you can see he is quite square . For these drills , he used the regular 'gamer' bat as well as some swings with the 'short' bat. Love the trainer working with Walker who said 'Sprint speed is nice . Trotting around the bases ? Even better.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wkGqFNt0MFA
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Voldemort wrote: 29 Nov 2025 15:21 pm
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 11:23 am
Voldemort wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:50 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:42 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:21 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:15 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:43 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:31 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:16 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:23 am

Guess one is either a fan or not Goldfan. What are you?
Who are you. Who. Who. I really want to know.
Just a fan, SB, who gets tired of another fan constantly bashing the Cardinals at every turn.
Cranny’s fan obligation
To praise every move by the owner, FO, manager and players.
Demonstrated by Cranny himself backing, trumpeting, and skewering ANY poster who dare have a difference of opinion with the last FO as they ran the great Cards organization in to ground…..to the point where its in total rebuild now with winning years off in the distance.
So who is the fool??
The blind ownership homer
Or the fan who saw the obvious downfall and wrote about it
Goldfan - When the Cards do something good, I laud it. When they do something that doesn’t make sense, I call them out for it. That’s a far cry from the constant bashing you do.

BDW is considering a contract extension for Oli…..now why would I write here supporting a stupid move like that.
JW has regressed to the point of needing to show for a full AAA season that he can dominate. But instead we’re being fed propaganda stories through Goold that a great awakening has occurred and JW now knows not to stand at the plate like a statue…..so the team can convince fans that this guy showed be the staring lineup again in ‘26.
And for the records I just praised Bloom for being quick on the draw and trading Gray….so update your tally about “always bashing”…..
Glad you’re giving Bloom a chance. The bashing of the Dewitts, Mo, Oli, etc. was so very redundant and monotonous.
Well if they didn’t give ample opportunity to bash…..there would be no bashing….
You’re like a critic of the victim of a crime because they were standing in the wrong location and got robbed while you speak nothing or defend the perp.
Golden country. Your face is so red. With all of your money, your poor could be feed.

You act concerned, but then why turn away; when a lady was raped, on your doorstep today. REO
The time has come for you my friend
To all this ugliness we must put an end
Before we leave we must make a stand
Some fine guitar work by Richwrath. I think I spelled that right. Especially off the -live get what you play for- album.
No w in the last name. Richrath. He wrote the song Golden Country and died in 2015. Golden Country was on REO TWO. Concerning REO, As you and I know, you can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish.
I stand corrected . Thanx. Love REO Two, especially the original Like You Do.
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Another story of a guy "re-doing" his swing in the offseason.......
Seems like Groundhog Day
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An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 16:00 pm
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 12:00 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:50 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:24 am
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:21 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:19 am
An Old Friend wrote: 29 Nov 2025 10:04 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:43 am
Goldfan wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:31 am
Cranny wrote: 29 Nov 2025 09:16 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 29 Nov 2025 08:32 am

Who are you. Who. Who. I really want to know.
Just a fan, SB, who gets tired of another fan constantly bashing the Cardinals at every turn.
Cranny’s fan obligation
To praise every move by the owner, FO, manager and players.
Demonstrated by Cranny himself backing, trumpeting, and skewering ANY poster who dare have a difference of opinion with the last FO as they ran the great Cards organization in to ground…..to the point where its in total rebuild now with winning years off in the distance.
So who is the fool??
The blind ownership homer
Or the fan who saw the obvious downfall and wrote about it
Goldfan - When the Cards do something good, I laud it. When they do something that doesn’t make sense, I call them out for it. That’s a far cry from the constant bashing you do.

BDW is considering a contract extension for Oli…..now why would I write here supporting a stupid move like that.
JW has regressed to the point of needing to show for a full AAA season that he can dominate. But instead we’re being fed propaganda stories through Goold that a great awakening has occurred and JW now knows not to stand at the plate like a statue…..so the team can convince fans that this guy showed be the staring lineup again in ‘26.
And for the records I just praised Bloom for being quick on the draw and trading Gray….so update your tally about “always bashing”…..
A lot of fans like to see players putting in the effort to improve, and insight into those efforts is often high interest.

I don't know why it bothers you so much when you see stories about players working to improve. It is odd, though... especially the way you bash other fans who appreciate the details of what they're working on.
Walker needs to start and stay at AAA in ‘26. He can work on his muscles there. I’m tired of these experimentations on non-existent personal progress at the ML level. Find some players who have already discovered their inner muscle control and play ball at the ML level.
How did that offseason Carp hot yoga and best condition of his life work out??
How did that speed swing vid you were so impressed with work out with Noot??
Marginal players getting the offseason Goold propaganda piece does no service for the fans.
Really…. a ML player finally found out after 3 seasons of being a DOG that he shouldn’t stand up there like statue and he needs to relax his muscles??
You're tired of hearing about players trying to improve, and you bash fans who appreciate the insight into what players are working on in the offseason.

I still don't know why you feel the need to do that.
AOF to out to that spot on the W coast and put in the work……write an article…….that will have no bearing on the success of the Cards next season just like JW.
Show me a Cards prospect/Suspect that had a great turnaround doing these things. Give me the example…..after batting .200 the previous season
You act like no one knows that the Cardinals’ player development system was completely broken.

You want an example of a prospect putting in this type of work and getting better? Liam Doyle.
Doyle was just drafted :lol: :lol:
Give me name like Gorman, Walker, Carlson, TO, Bader, Noot who actually did this work and came out the next season and was a different player?
How did Doyle position himself to be at the top of the draft?

Why does it bother you that players try to get better? Does it bother you that they exercise and stay in shape, too? :lol:
Why does it matter that players try to get better? Sure that’s what I’m complaining about……avg to productive ML players trying to get better
What I’m “complaining” about is some offseason fluff piece about a player who has been BAD in the ML and should be at AAA, but this Goold piece is designed to lay a runway, AGAIN, for Walker having a Muscle Relaxing enlightenment where he can HIT ML pitching now and they’ll spin this into he’s starting in RF opening day 2026. Do all the improvement, coaching, biometric labs…..these guys want but go produce in minors for a full season and show you hit the pitches that you obviously couldn’t…..but don’t attempt trick the fans that some 4-6 stent at a hitting lab on the W coast is going to fix a player that has regressed to a .200 hitting mess.
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Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 28 Nov 2025 09:06 am Yea, seems like every offseason there is a story about whoever going to Driveline, or whatever facility, and the guy talks about what they're working on and how good they feel.

But it's still a good read. Good to see that he's recognizing some of the things that were pretty obvious the last few years. Hoping it works, because I don't want to give up on the guy. This is probably his last year that he's going to be given a shot like this. Hope he takes advantage.
I hear ya. Every off-season has stories like this. They usually prove to be fools gold. But not always, so there's reason to hope. We've seen glimpses of Walker's ability to hit. He's running out of chances to transform those glimpses into the norm.
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If he breaks out of it, it could be transformative for the team.
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BrummerStealsHome wrote: 29 Nov 2025 22:08 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 28 Nov 2025 09:06 am Yea, seems like every offseason there is a story about whoever going to Driveline, or whatever facility, and the guy talks about what they're working on and how good they feel.

But it's still a good read. Good to see that he's recognizing some of the things that were pretty obvious the last few years. Hoping it works, because I don't want to give up on the guy. This is probably his last year that he's going to be given a shot like this. Hope he takes advantage.
I hear ya. Every off-season has stories like this. They usually prove to be fools gold. But not always, so there's reason to hope. We've seen glimpses of Walker's ability to hit. He's running out of chances to transform those glimpses into the norm.
They rushed the process. He was on an excellent trajectory but Mozeliak hijacked it I think in the interest of a PR win when it was evident that he still needed further development. I’m hoping he’s still young and impressionable enough that they can salvage him.
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An Old Friend wrote: 30 Nov 2025 08:43 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 29 Nov 2025 22:08 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 28 Nov 2025 09:06 am Yea, seems like every offseason there is a story about whoever going to Driveline, or whatever facility, and the guy talks about what they're working on and how good they feel.

But it's still a good read. Good to see that he's recognizing some of the things that were pretty obvious the last few years. Hoping it works, because I don't want to give up on the guy. This is probably his last year that he's going to be given a shot like this. Hope he takes advantage.
I hear ya. Every off-season has stories like this. They usually prove to be fools gold. But not always, so there's reason to hope. We've seen glimpses of Walker's ability to hit. He's running out of chances to transform those glimpses into the norm.
They rushed the process. He was on an excellent trajectory but Mozeliak hijacked it I think in the interest of a PR win when it was evident that he still needed further development. I’m hoping he’s still young and impressionable enough that they can salvage him.
He spent 85 games at Memphis in ‘24…..at no point during that stent neither JW or anyone else in the entire org coached him to relax his muscles, close his stance, or lay off the slider off the plate???? Brown made the comment last season that he wasn’t putting in the time or listening to coaching
But to you he was RUSHED. Perhaps he doesn’t want to listen AND doesn’t have the talent to succeed in MLB 8O
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Goldfan wrote: 30 Nov 2025 09:04 am
An Old Friend wrote: 30 Nov 2025 08:43 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 29 Nov 2025 22:08 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 28 Nov 2025 09:06 am Yea, seems like every offseason there is a story about whoever going to Driveline, or whatever facility, and the guy talks about what they're working on and how good they feel.

But it's still a good read. Good to see that he's recognizing some of the things that were pretty obvious the last few years. Hoping it works, because I don't want to give up on the guy. This is probably his last year that he's going to be given a shot like this. Hope he takes advantage.
I hear ya. Every off-season has stories like this. They usually prove to be fools gold. But not always, so there's reason to hope. We've seen glimpses of Walker's ability to hit. He's running out of chances to transform those glimpses into the norm.
They rushed the process. He was on an excellent trajectory but Mozeliak hijacked it I think in the interest of a PR win when it was evident that he still needed further development. I’m hoping he’s still young and impressionable enough that they can salvage him.
He spent 85 games at Memphis in ‘24…..at no point during that stent neither JW or anyone else in the entire org coached him to relax his muscles, close his stance, or lay off the slider off the plate???? Brown made the comment last season that he wasn’t putting in the time or listening to coaching
But to you he was RUSHED. Perhaps he doesn’t want to listen AND doesn’t have the talent to succeed in MLB 8O
It’s amazing that you’re so hellbent on arguing that you can’t even admit that he was rushed to the big leagues prior to showing the proficiency he needed to demonstrate in AAA.

You ever stop to think what exactly you’re beefing about? Or are you just mad all the time?
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Goldfan wrote: 30 Nov 2025 09:04 am
An Old Friend wrote: 30 Nov 2025 08:43 am
BrummerStealsHome wrote: 29 Nov 2025 22:08 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 28 Nov 2025 09:06 am Yea, seems like every offseason there is a story about whoever going to Driveline, or whatever facility, and the guy talks about what they're working on and how good they feel.

But it's still a good read. Good to see that he's recognizing some of the things that were pretty obvious the last few years. Hoping it works, because I don't want to give up on the guy. This is probably his last year that he's going to be given a shot like this. Hope he takes advantage.
I hear ya. Every off-season has stories like this. They usually prove to be fools gold. But not always, so there's reason to hope. We've seen glimpses of Walker's ability to hit. He's running out of chances to transform those glimpses into the norm.
They rushed the process. He was on an excellent trajectory but Mozeliak hijacked it I think in the interest of a PR win when it was evident that he still needed further development. I’m hoping he’s still young and impressionable enough that they can salvage him.
He spent 85 games at Memphis in ‘24…..at no point during that stent neither JW or anyone else in the entire org coached him to relax his muscles, close his stance, or lay off the slider off the plate???? Brown made the comment last season that he wasn’t putting in the time or listening to coaching
But to you he was RUSHED. Perhaps he doesn’t want to listen AND doesn’t have the talent to succeed in MLB 8O
We all know that you find the gray cloud around every silver lining. That's ok. Many of us choose to look at the bright side of a story like this. Many of these players are kids we watch play baseball. They all mature at their own pace. Maybe this offseason is JW's time. How mature were you at 23? I was not a very good listener.
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