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Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:08 am
by Goldfan
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:02 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 07:46 am
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 19:17 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:57 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:51 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:43 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:41 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:30 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:26 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 17:53 pm
Two things can be true at the same time.
Baseball's economics need a serious overhaul, including a salary cap/floor and increased revenue sharing.
Bill DeWitt can and should spend a higher percentage of baseball revenues on payroll.
1.) For sure.
2.) Sure, as long as the company has break even or positive cash flow.
You are not a fan;
you are a company man only looking at profits. It may be time for you to find another (hobby) sport to follow.
I've been a fan as long as you have. But I'm also the owner of a company and have consulted owners of privately held companies in both the U.S. and Europe for over 45 years. I'm not sure you have that kind of background. But one thing I would point out to you - there may be a cash call provision in the St. Louis Cardinals LLC operating agreement. That could make a big difference in how/why the LLC stays at or above the break even or above cash flow line.
Like I said, you are a company man and not a fan.
And you obviously have never been a business owner.
s.
You are a company man only looking at profit You need to find a business forum and not Cards talk.
Unless you understand what’s happened with cable contracts, the dumbing down of the game, and possible cash calls, you may be a fan, but you’re a naive fan.
We do understand what happened to the cable contract. It’s doubled since 2006(when stadium financing was finalized) and has declined by 17mil from the original current TV contract signed in ‘18(down from 75mil). So again your positions repeated MANY times already is that BDW having issues with paying his debt service from a deal in ‘06 because a local TV contract declined from 75mil annually to 58mil. So 17mil is the reason why he reduced payroll 75mil, can’t pay 20yr old stadium financing, and won’t spend on top talent to refill his stadium which would push his revenue back to where it was…….$17mil completely destroyed the St. Cardinals. MAKES NO SENSE…..AND YOU KNOW IT
Simple question. If revenue declines below cost, what do you do as a business man?
It’s not because of 17mil….its because he’s missing 1mil butts at Busch. Put some talent back on the field and WIN and his Revenue will return. And if he has to be in the RED a couple seasons to do it…..so be it
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:15 am
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:08 am
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:02 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 07:46 am
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 19:17 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:57 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:51 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:43 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:41 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:30 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:26 pm
desertrat23 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 17:53 pm
Two things can be true at the same time.
Baseball's economics need a serious overhaul, including a salary cap/floor and increased revenue sharing.
Bill DeWitt can and should spend a higher percentage of baseball revenues on payroll.
1.) For sure.
2.) Sure, as long as the company has break even or positive cash flow.
You are not a fan;
you are a company man only looking at profits. It may be time for you to find another (hobby) sport to follow.
I've been a fan as long as you have. But I'm also the owner of a company and have consulted owners of privately held companies in both the U.S. and Europe for over 45 years. I'm not sure you have that kind of background. But one thing I would point out to you - there may be a cash call provision in the St. Louis Cardinals LLC operating agreement. That could make a big difference in how/why the LLC stays at or above the break even or above cash flow line.
Like I said, you are a company man and not a fan.
And you obviously have never been a business owner.
s.
You are a company man only looking at profit You need to find a business forum and not Cards talk.
Unless you understand what’s happened with cable contracts, the dumbing down of the game, and possible cash calls, you may be a fan, but you’re a naive fan.
We do understand what happened to the cable contract. It’s doubled since 2006(when stadium financing was finalized) and has declined by 17mil from the original current TV contract signed in ‘18(down from 75mil). So again your positions repeated MANY times already is that BDW having issues with paying his debt service from a deal in ‘06 because a local TV contract declined from 75mil annually to 58mil. So 17mil is the reason why he reduced payroll 75mil, can’t pay 20yr old stadium financing, and won’t spend on top talent to refill his stadium which would push his revenue back to where it was…….$17mil completely destroyed the St. Cardinals. MAKES NO SENSE…..AND YOU KNOW IT
Simple question. If revenue declines below cost, what do you do as a business man?
It’s not because of 17mil….its because he’s missing 1mil butts at Busch. Put some talent back on the field and WIN and his Revenue will return. And if he has to be in the RED a couple seasons to do it…..so be it
If he’s in the red several seasons, is there a cash call for all owners?
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
by Goldfan
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:21 am
by Cranny
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Revenues go down, costs have to go down. Unless you want to ask all the members of your LLC to kick in.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
by Goldfan
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
by Goldfan
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
by WLTFE
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
by Goldfan
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
by OldRed
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 09:04 am
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:21 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Revenues go down, costs have to go down. Unless you want to ask all the members of your LLC to kick in.
Can you imagine that partner’s meeting? Where revenues decline due to mismanagement and the majority owner responsible for the mismanagement goes and asks the minority partners for more cash? Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 11:35 am
by WLTFE
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 11:38 am
by riff raff
Simp alert
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 11:39 am
by OldRed
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.
I wonder why a successful businessman is still working into their 80's?
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 12:42 pm
by Cranny
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:39 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.
I wonder why a successful businessman is still working into their 80's?
Some probably enjoy the business relationships they’ve made over many years, and want to keep those relationships going. Some have owned their own company and not worked for others. A totally different dynamic. Some simply enjoy what they do and want to keep it going. I have 3 doctor friends who are in their 80s and go to work every day.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 04 Nov 2025 21:14 pm
by Shady
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.
Just like anybody can be a pathetic, trouble-making, anonymous jerk on a message board like this.
Re: Why is DeWitt so cash-strapped?
Posted: 05 Nov 2025 04:15 am
by WLTFE
Shady wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 21:14 pm
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 11:35 am
OldRed wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:58 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:45 am
WLTFE wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:35 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:22 am
Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 08:18 am
2006 MLB National TV contract annual
643mil
2025
1.8bil
2006 Cards local TV contract
29mil
2025
58mil
Avg ticket price 2006
$40
2025
$85
2006 Cards Payroll
96mil
2025
132mil
There are the basic facts. Anyone with half a brain can see the doubling in all main revenues streams since 2006, with payroll last season at about a 45% increase while next season being lower……so if you believe a 17mil reduction from 75 to 58 is the lone cause for all of Cranny’s postings concerning BDW insolvency……..
I appreciate your efforts but front office (donkey) kissers are relentless in their need to support DeTwit regardless of facts...they're very sad and pathetic.
The National Contract has tripled, local TV has doubled, Ticket/concessions have more than doubled since stadium financing originated….and Cranny wants all to believe that BDW can’t make his debt service payments….while payroll inline with the % increase in all main revenues streams
A 96mil payroll in 2006 should have no problem being a 180mil payroll in 2025.
But, but, but neither of you are businessmen nor ever owned a business.
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.
Just like anybody can be a pathetic, trouble-making, anonymous jerk on a message board like this.
Good to see you're achieving some self awareness sweetie!
but all I have to do on an anonymous forum is claim that I'm a successful businessman or brag about my athletic accomplishments...there's no proof and I can be anyone I choose to make up...very sad and pathetic.