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Cranny wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:44 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:13 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:08 pm Maybe some of you didn’t notice the Fowler, Leake, Cecil, Miller, etc. failures. The Cardinals in no way are going to spend huge dollars (long term contracts) on high priced top free agents. Especially with a possible work stoppage looming.

And maybe you didn't notice those horrible moves were all MO SUGGESTIONS and he's gone in four games!

Plus those aren't "high priced free agents" either, low end to middle of the road deals.

Big deal a potential work stoppage.

NEWS FLASH cranny.......BDWJR will NOT BE PAYING any players during a work stoppage so using that as an excuse not to sign a free agent is LAME.

And what you don’t understand, rock, is that a lot of things m Things that may change cost projections.ay change with a newly negotiated agreement. And many teams are going to wait to see what those changes are. Like number of minimum wage years, number of arbitration years, etc.

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

Just exhausting.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:38 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right

Huh?

Are you delusional cranny, ..."everything worked out just right"?

Do you even recall the injuries to key players on both those teams?

It's the only thing that kept them from winning 100 games.

Those two teams were LOADED!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:38 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right

Huh?

Are you delusional cranny, ..."everything worked out just right"?

Do you even recall the injuries to key players on both those teams?

It's the only thing that kept them from winning 100 games.

Those two teams were LOADED!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:36 am

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:44 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 14:13 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:08 pm Maybe some of you didn’t notice the Fowler, Leake, Cecil, Miller, etc. failures. The Cardinals in no way are going to spend huge dollars (long term contracts) on high priced top free agents. Especially with a possible work stoppage looming.

And maybe you didn't notice those horrible moves were all MO SUGGESTIONS and he's gone in four games!

Plus those aren't "high priced free agents" either, low end to middle of the road deals.

Big deal a potential work stoppage.

NEWS FLASH cranny.......BDWJR will NOT BE PAYING any players during a work stoppage so using that as an excuse not to sign a free agent is LAME.

And what you don’t understand, rock, is that a lot of things m Things that may change cost projections.ay change with a newly negotiated agreement. And many teams are going to wait to see what those changes are. Like number of minimum wage years, number of arbitration years, etc.

Oh I fully understand, don't patronize me.

NONE of the "potential" changes you mentioned (...minimum wage years, number of arbitration years, etc) would affect free agents who signed in 2026, those only affect younger players.

LAME excuse for not signing free agents, you should stop using it.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:24 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK

Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:24 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK

Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.

That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 15:41 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:24 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK

Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.

That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.

Whatever, Goldfan. If you need to be right - be right.

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 17:09 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 15:41 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:24 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:14 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:55 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:50 am “The Cardinals have officially been eliminated from playoff contention.

Three years in a row missing the playoffs.

Haven’t won a single playoff game since 2020.

One postseason series win in the last 11 years.

These are dark dark times.”

Cranny’s take
“They’ve just been UNLUCKY”
“You should be satisfied watching Winn, Libby, Herrera, Burly, McGreevy”

They were lucky in 2006 and 2011 - everything worked out just right. They weren’t “unlucky” over the past year or two or three. Guys like Goldy and Arenado went backward, as did younger players Gorman and Walker. I suspect the younger guys need better coaching.

So your assessment of 2006 is the Team was LUCKY
2004 105W
2005 100W
2006 saw major long duration injuries to Stars
Molina missed 33games
Pujols missed 19g
Eckstein missed 39
Rolen missed 20
Edmonds missed 52
3 SP started 30+games with the other 2 slots a mix match of parts
With Closer IZZY out at the end of season.
And somehow you assess all that carnage as LUCK

Yes, and I also said that any team has to have a degree of luck to go all the way. That’s pretty much a given.

That era of Cards baseball was stacked with HOFers and Allstars managed by a HOFer who Also assembled a talented bench. You don’t win 105, 100 games then get hit hard by injuries the next season, but manage to get the starters back by the end of year and then you categorize as LUCK when they won the WS.

Whatever, Goldfan. If you need to be right - be right.

Well what was the LUCK in 2006? That a team that won 105 and 100 games the previous 2 seasons……finally got all their starters healthy at the end of the year? Surely you can’t be comparing a team of Molina, C. Carpenter, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, Waino…with TLR/Dunc to the current team with Oli and Dusty…..asserting that all the 2025 crew needed was a little luck and they might win a WS???