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11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.

The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.

The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.

How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.

It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:30 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.

The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.

The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.

How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.

It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.

Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:54 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:30 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:24 pm As mentioned by another poster the rapid decline has been self-induced.

The idiocy in not signing a generational player like Harper when there wasn't one in the pipeline is where it started.

The OF has been a plague on this offense ever since.

How many years has this team resorted to moving infielder to the OF in an effort to boost production and now a catcher is being moved there.

It's not some yoda type of any "perspective" it's simply blatant incompetence and misplaced priorities such as BPV.

Where would you have played Herrera if you deemed him to be a poor catcher defensively?
DH only? And if you wanted to put another player at DH, what would you do?

Herrera is poor defensively as a catcher.

Simply replace Walker with him.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:20 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:04 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

They won the most games (100) in MLB in 2015.

And the Cards pitching staff was in tatters by August, but Mozo did nothing to shore it up. Which is why the Cubs pummeled the ball onto Sheffield and Waveland Avenues in the NLDS.

Oh, and BTW, inadequate pitching cost us the NLCS the previous year with sore-armed Wacha pitching to Travis Hiawatha (or whatever his name was) for San Fran.

And we haven’t have a sniff ever since, with our 1-9 record in playoff games since then.

I’ve lived in Texas a long time now. In Houston and DFW they used to fear the Cardinals and Devil Magic. Now they just laugh. Read national outlets on the Cardinals — they just shake their heads and wonder how the Cards could go so bad in such a short time.

Psst! Spoiler alert! It’s because of Mozo the Clown.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:36 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Really liked the Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades.
Didn’t like at all the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. Some posters don’t care for (or recognize) when another poster identifies both the good and the bad.

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:36 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Really liked the Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades.
Didn’t like at all the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. Some posters don’t care for (or recognize) when another poster identifies both the good and the bad.

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:36 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Really liked the Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades.
Didn’t like at all the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. Some posters don’t care for (or recognize) when another poster identifies both the good and the bad.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:55 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:36 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Really liked the Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades.
Didn’t like at all the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. Some posters don’t care for (or recognize) when another poster identifies both the good and the bad.

Cranny,
It’s not just the bad signings, far more than the 3 you cite. It’s the devastation of the farm club system, the abandonment of The Cardinal Way, the constant hyping of the next “can’t miss” minor leaguer who turns out to be a dud, the slavelike worshipping of “the 3 true outcomes”, and the lack of teaching fundamental baseball that gall my keister.

I’ve been a passionate Cardinal fan since 1963. Saw us (yeah us, even though I never threw a pitch or made a catch for the team) win 5 World Series and go to numerous postseasons. Even after my job took me away to Texas, I still Bleed Cardinal Red and when I come home to STL to visit my family, I’ve always bought tix and gone to games. (Even when it’s been hot and sticky, even tho’ I’m an old phardt).

This is the first year in a long time I haven’t gone to a Cardinal game, either in STL or when they visited Houston. If DeWitt and Mo are just going through the motions (and they are), I’m not going to spend money to validate their incompetency.

I’m vented my spleen. Nuff said. You have your opinions and I have mine and n’eer the twain shall meet.

Have a pleasant evening.

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:51 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:36 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:23 pm

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 17:41 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Mo wasn’t the boss in 2006. Jocketty was, assisted by LaRussa.

2011 was still largely Jocketty & LaRussa’s team.

2013 was the only year Mo can hang his hat on, and it went off the cliff shortly after.

Cranny if you think for a hot second that LaRussa would be in agreement with this “let’s give all the kids a chance in a STL uni to see if they can play” nonsense……I’m not sure you should be posting here any longer…

I still swear that Cranny is a paid shill from the Cards front office. Nobody, but nobody, could be so vehemently defending them with so little justification or ammunition.

Really liked the Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades.
Didn’t like at all the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. Some posters don’t care for (or recognize) when another poster identifies both the good and the bad.

Yes, I liked those trades too and it’s a shame that Mo thought that was all required to create a WS team. Needed another bat and at least another SP.
Never materialized. Wasted the great season those 2 had in ‘22