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Posted: 10 Jul 2025 09:59 am
close to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
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close to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
Maybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
that depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
Aren’t these truisms (facts)?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
Well, we’ve rarely drafted this high. Last year was the first top 10 pick we have had in almost 30 years. And we went college because it was the BPA. Our last top 10 pick that was a HS pick was Dimitri Young in 1991, took him 4th overall.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
Willits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 amAren’t these truisms (facts)?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.
2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.
Gorman was part of the old draft schedule in June. Now by the time everyone is drafted, physicaled, signed, it's nearly August.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:16 amWell, we’ve rarely drafted this high. Last year was the first top 10 pick we have had in almost 30 years. And we went college because it was the BPA. Our last top 10 pick that was a HS pick was Dimitri Young in 1991, took him 4th overall.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
Cardinals overall have had 12 top 10 picks. 3 that were top 5 or higher. 6 of the 12 were HS picks, including Ted Simmons and Andy Van Slyke. 1 of the 3 top 5 picks were HS picks.
And in recent years (ie last 17 years or so) they haven’t necessarily shied from taking HS players in the first round. From Jordan Walker/Nolan Gorman/Dylan Carlson to Jack Flaherty/Shelby Miller/etc.
Fwiw, Gorman after being drafted went to rookie ball and then A ball the same year he was drafted. And he was a 19th overall pick. I would think a top 5 HS pick might do the same.
I think any HS bat they would take at #5 would see significant time in the FCL after signing and an adjustment period to pro ball. Willits would probably need the least as he has been scrimmaging against college competition for over two years now.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:22 am
Gorman was part of the old draft schedule in June. Now by the time everyone is drafted, physicaled, signed, it's nearly August.
I'm all for a HS draft pick at #5...but unless he comes out like Max Clark in his FCL workouts, he likely won't see much in PT at Palm Beach.
nmstar wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 12:49 pmI think any HS bat they would take at #5 would see significant time in the FCL after signing and an adjustment period to pro ball. Willits would probably need the least as he has been scrimmaging against college competition for over two years now.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:22 am
Gorman was part of the old draft schedule in June. Now by the time everyone is drafted, physicaled, signed, it's nearly August.
I'm all for a HS draft pick at #5...but unless he comes out like Max Clark in his FCL workouts, he likely won't see much in PT at Palm Beach.
I guess I'm just gun shy regarding high school position players after Calvin Hayes, Pete Kozma, Charlie Tilson, Nick Plummer, Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, Tre Fletcher, Jordan Walker, Joshua Baez, etc.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:20 amWillits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 amAren’t these truisms (facts)?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.
2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.
Agree to disagree. You seek Arquette, I respect that.
Baker having a pretty solid year. 42 games 3.52 ERA 1.10 WHIP 49 K-9 BB in 38.1 IP.
This is the kind of move the Cardinals should be pursuing. That is acquiring a Comp Bal pick. Draft experts say sweet spot in this draft is late 1st round and early 2nd. Not top heavy but deep. Now I don’t know if we have comparable talent as Baker to offer. He is controllable through 2028. Maybe package a rental reliever and something else for a Comp pick.
Since 2000 the Cardinals have 7 players that were 1st round picks that have 10+ bWAR for their careers. 4 college players (3 arms, 1 position player) and 3 are high school players (2 arms, 1 position player). You have flameouts on both sides of the aisle in this conversation.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:13 pmI guess I'm just gun shy regarding high school position players after Calvin Hayes, Pete Kozma, Charlie Tilson, Nick Plummer, Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, Tre Fletcher, Jordan Walker, Joshua Baez, etc.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:20 amWillits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 amAren’t these truisms (facts)?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.
2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.
Agree to disagree. You seek Arquette, I respect that.
Only relievers we have with Baker’s swing and miss stuff is Helsley and Maton. And neither would have the team control that Baker has. Maybe a JoJo Romero would bring back a similar return.peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:20 pmThis is the kind of move the Cardinals should be pursuing. That is acquiring a Comp Bal pick. Draft experts say sweet spot in this draft is late 1st round and early 2nd. Not top heavy but deep. Now I don’t know if we have comparable talent as Baker to offer. He is controllable through 2028. Maybe package a rental reliever and something else for a Comp pick.
I would scratch Josh Baez from your list and jury is still out on Gorman & Walker (IMO).Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 13:13 pmI guess I'm just gun shy regarding high school position players after Calvin Hayes, Pete Kozma, Charlie Tilson, Nick Plummer, Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, Tre Fletcher, Jordan Walker, Joshua Baez, etc.craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:20 amWillits is the 2nd best offensive talent in the draft. Some publications, just a few, rate him #1. It's not like he's the 8th best HS in the draft.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:11 amAren’t these truisms (facts)?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:05 amthat depends on how well he takes off in Palm Beach next year. That's assuming the Cards go with their tried and true slow progression with prospects. I don't see a chance of him starting in Peoria.Cranny wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 10:02 amMaybe help 5 years from now?craviduce wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025 09:59 amclose to a 5 tool prospect as this draft will get. He "could" grow into the power...not known for now.
I believe he'll get workouts with FCL post draft, not sure if he'll see a lineup by the time he's ready to graduate from that. We'll see...we've never drafted a HS kid this high...or not in a long time. The precedent for this organization doesn't exist...I'm going by what other teams have done with their HS offensive players...and that's post draft workouts in the FCL, maybe a line up in the last week of the FCL (season is running out there), then on to the last month of Low A if they do well enough.
Max Clark saw AB's with Low A Lakeland a few years ago after the draft. And PJ Morlando saw 3 or 4 AB's with Low A Jupiter last season....I think, it wasn't many
1.) College draftees have a higher chance of making it to the big leagues than high school draftees.
2.) Of the draftees who do eventually make it, the college draftees make it faster.
Agree to disagree. You seek Arquette, I respect that.