Devastating point of view for those relishing Cards struggles

[Goldfan]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

+1000
And your last paragraph is spot on.
Definitely some emotional issues there!

The narcissist quality is high with your type….you seem to think my logging in here and mixing it up with you goofballs translates to emotional well being? Do you think having some good natured sparring over a sports topic is directly indicative of psychiatric treatment??
The OP poster honestly believes that true critical fans HOPE bad things for the players and team…….that type of thinking requires therapy

[Stlcardsblues]

I may end up eating it but I'm sticking to my:

2026 Team > 2025 Team

mantra

There will be numerous ways to measure the season, but, I think we'll see a light near the end that will allow greater clarity of purpose and resolve. I really look forward to the numerous steps to be taken this year.

I fully expect a 90+ loss season. I will be watching both the Major and Minor League teams to see the future continue to develop. This will be my way of measuring a successful season for the team.

[Cusecards]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

+1000
And your last paragraph is spot on.
Definitely some emotional issues there!

Thanks. He won't see it. The righteous anger flies in the face of perspective. I'm glad there are folks like you who've learned to manage the disappointment and are open to constructive effort going forward. We can only hope that Chaim and company make more good decisions than bad ones as the Cards attempt to right the ship.

Welcome!
I admit to being a passionate sports fan and while I love the Cards I also am into the other sports.
And yes....I admit to “venting” as others do here as well........but you still have to keep it in perspective.
Still just a game.......and if you allow yourself to “wallow in misery” over a SPORTS TEAM you MAY want to get a grip on reality?
And BTW.....we aren’t OWED anything as Cards fans.
29 other teams have great/passionate fans as well.
That being said....I’m getting psyched for this season!

[Cusecards]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

+1000
And your last paragraph is spot on.
Definitely some emotional issues there!

The narcissist quality is high with your type….you seem to think my logging in here and mixing it up with you goofballs translates to emotional well being? Do you think having some good natured sparring over a sports topic is directly indicative of psychiatric treatment??
The OP poster honestly believes that true critical fans HOPE bad things for the players and team…….that type of thinking requires therapy

“Mixing it up”?????
“Good natured sparring”??????
Are you effing serious?????? LMAO
You whine, cry, (bleep), and moan like a Jr. High School Girl who got felt up in the lunch room!
You clearly never played sports outside of mandatory gym class and 90% of the posters here have called you out as a Whiner.
Grow a pair or take up stamp/coin collecting. LOL

[Ozziesfan41]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

[Cusecards]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

Oz...I can’t stop laughing.
The OP takes a jab at the “whiners” WITHOUT naming names and this genius goes off the deep end!
Insecure or what????? LOL
Maybe he can enlist a relative or close friend to help him locate his “backbone”?????
Have a good night and play ball!

[Goldfan]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

Oz...I can’t stop laughing.
The OP takes a jab at the “whiners” WITHOUT naming names and this genius goes off the deep end!
Insecure or what????? LOL
Maybe he can enlist a relative or close friend to help him locate his “backbone”?????
Have a good night and play ball!

Just a simple question…..who is relishing in Cards struggles??? Again you yoyos have such disdain for those who wrote about slow agonizing trainwreck
Playing out in front of your eyes for years. Did you want glowing praise for incompetent idiots to drive a once dominant franchise to a bottom feeder state?? You’re happy to be one of lowest payrolls in MLB with apparently the only hope for revival in the very low % ascension of prospects?? This is where you want your beloved Cardinals?? Please let us be the Pirates or Marlins….. and you mock and throw stones at the future tellers who warned of this??? Blind faith in the last FO brought us here…….you must think always standing behind the temporary “leaders”of an organization is being a fan. A fan shouldn’t be required to follow idiots down a path of destruction…..
So again who is relishing in Cards struggles?? Throw out some handles

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

This might not be taken well but I like the idea of another season of this type of acquisitions in 2027. Keep the process up and always be developing and acquiring.

Exciting times.

[Cusecards]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

Oz...I can’t stop laughing.
The OP takes a jab at the “whiners” WITHOUT naming names and this genius goes off the deep end!
Insecure or what????? LOL
Maybe he can enlist a relative or close friend to help him locate his “backbone”?????
Have a good night and play ball!

Just a simple question…..who is relishing in Cards struggles??? Again you yoyos have such disdain for those who wrote about slow agonizing trainwreck
Playing out in front of your eyes for years. Did you want glowing praise for incompetent idiots to drive a once dominant franchise to a bottom feeder state?? You’re happy to be one of lowest payrolls in MLB with apparently the only hope for revival in the very low % ascension of prospects?? This is where you want your beloved Cardinals?? Please let us be the Pirates or Marlins….. and you mock and throw stones at the future tellers who warned of this??? Blind faith in the last FO brought us here…….you must think always standing behind the temporary “leaders”of an organization is being a fan. A fan shouldn’t be required to follow idiots down a path of destruction…..
So again who is relishing in Cards struggles?? Throw out some handles

Most of us here actually TALK SPORTS!
We talk potential personnel moves.
We discuss strategy and player performance.
Obviously we discuss the actual games.

You only complain.
You offer nothing concrete or speculative on ANYTHING.
And you’re still whining about MO and the past!
MO is gone! Get the eff over it!
Dealing with losing can be tough enough without having to deal with you wetting yourself and babbling about an “autopsy” from 5 or 10 years ago!
I actually almost feel sorry for your misery!

[DewittDaman11]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... r-AA1WUdNJ

Cardinals’ revamped roster has league taking notice
Story by Patrick McAvoy •



The St. Louis Cardinals had a transformational offseason in Chaim Bloom's first one leading the organization.

Bloom and the organization certainly didn't want to wait around any longer to really reset the franchise. The last three seasons were a struggle. Bloom's job is to turn the organization around and the Cardinals bet on the future by adding a handful of prospects this offseason.


One thing about prospects, is that they are typically not guaranteed. Just because someone is a first-round pick, doesn't mean they'll pan out. We'll see how things work out for the Cardinals, but one thing that should give St. Louis fans hope is the fact that ESPN's David Schoenfield graded the Cardinals' offense as a "B+."

The Cardinals' future is very bright.


"St. Louis Cardinals: B+," Schoenfield wrote. "Key additions: RHP Hunter Dobbins, RHP Dustin May, RHP Richard Fitts, RHP Ryne Stanek, RHP/LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje, LHP Brandon Clarke. Key departures: RHP Sonny Gray, INF Brendan Donovan, 1B Willson Contreras, 3B Nolan Arenado, RHP Miles Mikolas. Well, it's done: The rebuild, the revamp, the step back -- whatever you want to call it -- is officially complete. The only players older than 30 on the 40-man roster are relievers Riley O'Brien and Stanek. The farm system has been improved, with five top-100 prospects led by infielder JJ Wetherholt, a top Rookie of the Year candidate for 2026.


"The payroll has been trimmed some $45 million from 2025, so that will make owner Bill DeWitt happy, although the organization will have to win back the fans with better results -- eventually -- on the field. If you accept the premise of rebuilding, then Chaim Bloom did an excellent job. Improving the long-term viability of the rotation was the biggest need and Bloom did that with two separate trades with his old friends in Boston and then the Donovan deal.

"Dobbins and Fitts are more fourth/fifth-starter types, and Cijntje and Clarke are power arms with higher ceilings but reliever risk. They were two of the better prospects to switch teams this winter. What we don't know: With a payroll now half of what it was just two years ago, where will the Cardinals go in the future?"

The fact that a top league insider like Schoenfield is willing to grade the offseason this highly, should give the fanbase some solace that St. Louis made the right moves.

The biggest prospect the Cardinals brought back to town was switch-pitcher Jurrangelo Cijntje. Brandon Clarke is injured, but also profiles as a top-of-the-rotation arm. St. Louis also added No. 10 prospect Yhoiker Fajardo along with outfielders Tai Peete and Colton Ledbetter and two draft picks, among other moves.

The future is bright, Cardinals fans.

Huge, not to nitpick, and I may be wrong, but I thought that article was saying the Cardinals "off-season" was a B+, not their "offense".

[Goldfan]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

Oz...I can’t stop laughing.
The OP takes a jab at the “whiners” WITHOUT naming names and this genius goes off the deep end!
Insecure or what????? LOL
Maybe he can enlist a relative or close friend to help him locate his “backbone”?????
Have a good night and play ball!

Just a simple question…..who is relishing in Cards struggles??? Again you yoyos have such disdain for those who wrote about slow agonizing trainwreck
Playing out in front of your eyes for years. Did you want glowing praise for incompetent idiots to drive a once dominant franchise to a bottom feeder state?? You’re happy to be one of lowest payrolls in MLB with apparently the only hope for revival in the very low % ascension of prospects?? This is where you want your beloved Cardinals?? Please let us be the Pirates or Marlins….. and you mock and throw stones at the future tellers who warned of this??? Blind faith in the last FO brought us here…….you must think always standing behind the temporary “leaders”of an organization is being a fan. A fan shouldn’t be required to follow idiots down a path of destruction…..
So again who is relishing in Cards struggles?? Throw out some handles

Most of us here actually TALK SPORTS!
We talk potential personnel moves.
We discuss strategy and player performance.
Obviously we discuss the actual games.

You only complain.
You offer nothing concrete or speculative on ANYTHING.
And you’re still whining about MO and the past!
MO is gone! Get the eff over it!
Dealing with losing can be tough enough without having to deal with you wetting yourself and babbling about an “autopsy” from 5 or 10 years ago!
I actually almost feel sorry for your misery!

I posted some vids of Walker with observations and technical analysis
What was your response? So stop with the “only talk about baseball” [nonsense]…..
If the observation is poor….then it’s poor…..not here to make you “feel” good. And you would hope the new eyes in charge at Busch evaluate the same way. Talent, drive, and winning should be the only qualities going forward, not hope and projects.

[hugeCardfan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... r-AA1WUdNJ

Cardinals’ revamped roster has league taking notice
Story by Patrick McAvoy •



The St. Louis Cardinals had a transformational offseason in Chaim Bloom's first one leading the organization.

Bloom and the organization certainly didn't want to wait around any longer to really reset the franchise. The last three seasons were a struggle. Bloom's job is to turn the organization around and the Cardinals bet on the future by adding a handful of prospects this offseason.


One thing about prospects, is that they are typically not guaranteed. Just because someone is a first-round pick, doesn't mean they'll pan out. We'll see how things work out for the Cardinals, but one thing that should give St. Louis fans hope is the fact that ESPN's David Schoenfield graded the Cardinals' offense as a "B+."

The Cardinals' future is very bright.


"St. Louis Cardinals: B+," Schoenfield wrote. "Key additions: RHP Hunter Dobbins, RHP Dustin May, RHP Richard Fitts, RHP Ryne Stanek, RHP/LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje, LHP Brandon Clarke. Key departures: RHP Sonny Gray, INF Brendan Donovan, 1B Willson Contreras, 3B Nolan Arenado, RHP Miles Mikolas. Well, it's done: The rebuild, the revamp, the step back -- whatever you want to call it -- is officially complete. The only players older than 30 on the 40-man roster are relievers Riley O'Brien and Stanek. The farm system has been improved, with five top-100 prospects led by infielder JJ Wetherholt, a top Rookie of the Year candidate for 2026.


"The payroll has been trimmed some $45 million from 2025, so that will make owner Bill DeWitt happy, although the organization will have to win back the fans with better results -- eventually -- on the field. If you accept the premise of rebuilding, then Chaim Bloom did an excellent job. Improving the long-term viability of the rotation was the biggest need and Bloom did that with two separate trades with his old friends in Boston and then the Donovan deal.

"Dobbins and Fitts are more fourth/fifth-starter types, and Cijntje and Clarke are power arms with higher ceilings but reliever risk. They were two of the better prospects to switch teams this winter. What we don't know: With a payroll now half of what it was just two years ago, where will the Cardinals go in the future?"

The fact that a top league insider like Schoenfield is willing to grade the offseason this highly, should give the fanbase some solace that St. Louis made the right moves.

The biggest prospect the Cardinals brought back to town was switch-pitcher Jurrangelo Cijntje. Brandon Clarke is injured, but also profiles as a top-of-the-rotation arm. St. Louis also added No. 10 prospect Yhoiker Fajardo along with outfielders Tai Peete and Colton Ledbetter and two draft picks, among other moves.

The future is bright, Cardinals fans.

Huge, not to nitpick, and I may be wrong, but I thought that article was saying the Cardinals "off-season" was a B+, not their "offense".

Yes, DD. This was all a word for word copy from Patrick McAvoy. I think he just misspoke substituting offense for offseason.

[clemonsonroots]

I may end up eating it but I'm sticking to my:

2026 Team > 2025 Team

mantra

I actually agree. Not that they will be good, but I do think they will be a tick better given the at least decent sp.

[Cusecards]

Golfan trashed the organization and everything about it since he started posting I can’t ever remember him posting one thing positive about the cardinals it’s always every player is trash the organization is trash owners trash if they sign gray and Contreras they’re trash and the organization is trash for over paying for them they trade Contreras and gray suddenly the organization is trash for trading them they were worth the contracts and the cardinals should have got way more for the players he thought were trash all the way until they traded the. Suddenly they were good. He trashed on O’Neil said mo was stupid for keeping him he trades him he has a good season with Boston and suddenly mo was stupid for trading him. If goldfan ain’t complainin’ he ain’t posting’

Oz...I can’t stop laughing.
The OP takes a jab at the “whiners” WITHOUT naming names and this genius goes off the deep end!
Insecure or what????? LOL
Maybe he can enlist a relative or close friend to help him locate his “backbone”?????
Have a good night and play ball!

Just a simple question…..who is relishing in Cards struggles??? Again you yoyos have such disdain for those who wrote about slow agonizing trainwreck
Playing out in front of your eyes for years. Did you want glowing praise for incompetent idiots to drive a once dominant franchise to a bottom feeder state?? You’re happy to be one of lowest payrolls in MLB with apparently the only hope for revival in the very low % ascension of prospects?? This is where you want your beloved Cardinals?? Please let us be the Pirates or Marlins….. and you mock and throw stones at the future tellers who warned of this??? Blind faith in the last FO brought us here…….you must think always standing behind the temporary “leaders”of an organization is being a fan. A fan shouldn’t be required to follow idiots down a path of destruction…..
So again who is relishing in Cards struggles?? Throw out some handles

Most of us here actually TALK SPORTS!
We talk potential personnel moves.
We discuss strategy and player performance.
Obviously we discuss the actual games.

You only complain.
You offer nothing concrete or speculative on ANYTHING.
And you’re still whining about MO and the past!
MO is gone! Get the eff over it!
Dealing with losing can be tough enough without having to deal with you wetting yourself and babbling about an “autopsy” from 5 or 10 years ago!
I actually almost feel sorry for your misery!

I posted some vids of Walker with observations and technical analysis
What was your response? So stop with the “only talk about baseball” [nonsense]…..
If the observation is poor….then it’s poor…..not here to make you “feel” good. And you would hope the new eyes in charge at Busch evaluate the same way. Talent, drive, and winning should be the only qualities going forward, not hope and projects.

Congratulations!
I’m now due back on Planet Earth. Can’t wait until your next OP summarizing the complete destruction of the franchise.

BTW..... the OP nor anyone else mentioned your name in this thread.
You interjected yourself out of gross insecurity.