Why a salary cap?

[ScotchMIrish]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

The difference is the big market teams have no advantage in the NFL. Kansas City won't win the world series 5 times over a 5 year span. A good coach can turn a small market team into a powerhouse in the NFL.

[ForumPolice]

Okay no salary cap. Instead just raise the luxury cap penalty to 20 to 1. For every dollar over the line, the offending teams will pay $20 to the league. Hell, make it 100 to 1. And yes I agree on a salary floor but the fact that fans are pretending that Cincinnati, Baltimore and St Louis are supposed to have the same spending power as LA is a complete joke.

You can't have every other team in the league be the farm system for the east and west coast.

[alw80]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

[BrockFloodMaris]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

[alw80]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

They could do that now if their owners gave a sh*t. Giving them more money they're going to pocket isn't going to change anything.

[Cardinals1964]

To paraphrase Lance Lynn speaking on the subject.
His belief is the owners will ask for a salary cap. Lock out the players and blame it on the “Greedy” players.
He said the owners have not proposed how a cap and floor would work. He said the owners just keep bringing it up to get the fans on their side with no real proposal.

He said for a cap to happen the owners would have to open their books and they are not going to want to do that.

He didn’t rule out a cap, but he said the owners would have to give up a lot in return. He went onto to explain that they hold a draft pick for four years before the rule five, then it’s a couple more years to get to arbitration than a couple more years of arbitration which ends up being about six years to reach free agency. He said that would all have to be lowered.

This won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be nice if there wasn’t 10 year contracts? That there were more high-level free agents every year? I have no idea how you would work that out. It’s not an actual proposal on my part. It would be nice if free agency came quicker so there was a bigger pool in any given year for more teams to go after. I’m not saying that is a solution. I’m saying it would be nice if there were 10 or 20 upper level players available every year.

[alw80]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

Arte Moreno:

"The number one thing fans want is affordability. They want affordability. They want safety, and they want a good experience when they come to the ballpark. Believe it or not winning is not in their top five."

Jerry Reinsdorf:

"Finish in second place every single year because your fans will say 'Wow, we got a shot. We're in it! ' But there's always the carrot left."

"Sports is a business of failure but the fact that you finish second or third or fourth it doesn’t mean you had a bad year."

"I think the important thing to fans is, while they want you to win championships, they want to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot. You’re still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently you’ll make your fans happy."

These are the guys you're defending. But the Dodgers are the problem, right.

[Cusecards]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

+1

[Cardinals1964]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

Arte Moreno:

"The number one thing fans want is affordability. They want affordability. They want safety, and they want a good experience when they come to the ballpark. Believe it or not winning is not in their top five."

Jerry Reinsdorf:

"Finish in second place every single year because your fans will say 'Wow, we got a shot. We're in it! ' But there's always the carrot left."

"Sports is a business of failure but the fact that you finish second or third or fourth it doesn’t mean you had a bad year."

"I think the important thing to fans is, while they want you to win championships, they want to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot. You’re still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently you’ll make your fans happy."

These are the guys you're defending. But the Dodgers are the problem, right.

Wasn’t this MO’s and Dewitt’s approach, too? Stay close enough to keep the fans coming.
When I heard one of the Dewitt’s talk about improving the experience at the ballpark by introducing new foods and better turkey legs I burst out laughing.

[alw80]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

Arte Moreno:

"The number one thing fans want is affordability. They want affordability. They want safety, and they want a good experience when they come to the ballpark. Believe it or not winning is not in their top five."

Jerry Reinsdorf:

"Finish in second place every single year because your fans will say 'Wow, we got a shot. We're in it! ' But there's always the carrot left."

"Sports is a business of failure but the fact that you finish second or third or fourth it doesn’t mean you had a bad year."

"I think the important thing to fans is, while they want you to win championships, they want to know that when they get down to the last month of the season you still have a shot. You’re still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently you’ll make your fans happy."

These are the guys you're defending. But the Dodgers are the problem, right.

Wasn’t this MO’s and Dewitt’s approach, too? Stay close enough to keep the fans coming.
When I heard one of the Dewitt’s talk about improving the experience at the ballpark by introducing new foods and better turkey legs I burst out laughing.

The last 10 years definitely.

[BrockFloodMaris]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

They could do that now if their owners gave a sh*t. Giving them more money they're going to pocket isn't going to change anything.

You must have missed the part where I said that a salary floor is also needed.

[alw80]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

They could do that now if their owners gave a sh*t. Giving them more money they're going to pocket isn't going to change anything.

You must have missed the part where I said that a salary floor is also needed.

You guys act like a floor is some magic button that fixes everything.

[BrockFloodMaris]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

They could do that now if their owners gave a sh*t. Giving them more money they're going to pocket isn't going to change anything.

You must have missed the part where I said that a salary floor is also needed.

You guys act like a floor is some magic button that fixes everything.

Why the resistance to a system that comes straight off an Excel spreadsheet? A salary/floor system is not some mysterious voodoo witchcraft sorcery. It’s math.

[Jeff Goldblum]

They can refuse a cap if they want to. And I can refuse to watch baseball because it's boring as [shirt] watching 4 teams contend every year.

[Jeff Goldblum]

In the last 10 years, 7 different teams won the WS.
Until the Dodgers there wasn’t a repeat WS winner in 25 years.
NFL had only 6 different teams win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years. With a cap.
If a cap is agreed to, what will the owners give up? Faster arbitration? Faster free agency? International draft?
Will the owners open their books so the players can see the true revenue?

Competitive parity. Look at all the NFL teams that get much worse from year to year, and all the NFL teams that get a lot better from year to year. Caps create the opportunity for all teams to win. This attracts more fans to those teams in small markets, who would otherwise never have a chance.

Baseball isn't the NFL and will never be the NFL.

No it is not. No one said that they are the same. The example of competitive parity is transferable. It’s math. We will need a salary floor to go along with the cap.

Baseball already has more parity than the NFL. The NFL has a cap and you still had the Patriots dynasty and the Chiefs dynasty. The Dodgers also draft and develop better than everyone else too, do we need to make new rules to prevent teams from doing that as well? Stop defending sh*tty owners.

Competitive parity would create a system whereby the reds and pirates had as much chance as any team to win the NLC. Please explain to me how we already have parity in MLB?

They could do that now if their owners gave a sh*t. Giving them more money they're going to pocket isn't going to change anything.

You must have missed the part where I said that a salary floor is also needed.

You guys act like a floor is some magic button that fixes everything.

Its the new trendy know it all solution to all life's problems. Like cabbage patch kids and pet rocks.

[Melville]

MLB does not need a cap.
Nor a floor.
The courts need to end MLB's anti-trust exemption - which they have already admitted is blatantly illegal.
That would fix baseball in a day.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.