Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Your last sentence. Pitching stingy Mariners. They have much pitching. Losing one for that missing piece was a drip in the staff bucket.
The overall trade was good. Two reasonable draft slots. They will pick only the best atheletic type at that slotting.
If one player from the trade make MLB, then it’s a break even deal at worse.
"If one player from the trade makes MLB, then it’s a break even deal at worse."
Respectfully disagree.
Merely making it to MLB is a low bar.
If ONE player makes it to MLB and becomes a valuable, multi-year starting player the deal is at best a wash - if TWO do so it will become a good deal.
Problem is, odds are against every single one of these.
Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Your last sentence. Pitching stingy Mariners. They have much pitching. Losing one for that missing piece was a drip in the staff bucket.
The overall trade was good. Two reasonable draft slots. They will pick only the best atheletic type at that slotting.
If one player from the trade make MLB, then it’s a break even deal at worse.
"If one player from the trade makes MLB, then it’s a break even deal at worse."
Respectfully disagree.
Merely making it to MLB is a low bar.
If ONE player makes it to MLB and becomes a valuable, multi-year starting player the deal is at best a wash - if TWO do so it will become a good deal.
Problem is, odds are against every single one of these.
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 18:09 pm
Waiting 4 months for a deal he could have made back in November
Bloom panicked. He saw SF got a 2B and knew he only had one team left and made the quickest deal possible.
Bloom was horrible with the Red Sox and hes horrible now.
Also, can he not evaluate hitters at all?
The kool-aid drinkers here are all in on Bloom. To them he's the golden goose laying golden eggs every time he poots. He's a hatchet man that DeWitt brought in to gut payroll. Nothing more than that from what I can tell. But the kool-aid drinkers are jizzing right now. They're finally going to get a Cardinal team that will lose 90 to 100 games.
They have 5 of the first 72 and 6 of the first 86 picks in the 2026 draft. They’ve added significantly to the farm system with higher upside talent.
If you want the Cardinals to start winning again, you’d think you’d like the guy who is making meaningful strides to add long term talent to the organization.
Minor league talent is notorious for failing. Even if they do hit on 50% of the picks (which is a big if) they are still years away from helping the major league team. Okay, bring them along, but that's no excuse to gut the team and start a horrible losing trend for years. Say it with me, bringing up minor league talent does not exclude paying for major league talent in the present time. They can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. No tanking, no prolonged losing, no bottom feeding, no low hanging fruit, no dry powder.
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 18:09 pm
Waiting 4 months for a deal he could have made back in November
Bloom panicked. He saw SF got a 2B and knew he only had one team left and made the quickest deal possible.
Bloom was horrible with the Red Sox and hes horrible now.
Also, can he not evaluate hitters at all?
The kool-aid drinkers here are all in on Bloom. To them he's the golden goose laying golden eggs every time he poots. He's a hatchet man that DeWitt brought in to gut payroll. Nothing more than that from what I can tell. But the kool-aid drinkers are jizzing right now. They're finally going to get a Cardinal team that will lose 90 to 100 games.
They have 5 of the first 72 and 6 of the first 86 picks in the 2026 draft. They’ve added significantly to the farm system with higher upside talent.
If you want the Cardinals to start winning again, you’d think you’d like the guy who is making meaningful strides to add long term talent to the organization.
Minor league talent is notorious for failing. Even if they do hit on 50% of the picks (which is a big if) they are still years away from helping the major league team. Okay, bring them along, but that's no excuse to gut the team and start a horrible losing trend for years. Say it with me, bringing up minor league talent does not exclude paying for major league talent in the present time. They can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. No tanking, no prolonged losing, no bottom feeding, no low hanging fruit, no dry powder.
Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Always some catution with prospects. Always.
I have seen him pitch before and he looks the part. Tink is slight if build and not the sharpest cookie.
I don't think comparing him to Tink is fair or all that accurate.
Just added out #4/Cijntje and #15/Peete system prospects for a SUP who's not a star and wasn't going to be extended (due to his age) beyond his remaining two years before FA.
Only dreamers thought Donny was bringing back more.
Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Always some catution with prospects. Always.
I have seen him pitch before and he looks the part. Tink is slight if build and not the sharpest cookie.
I don't think comparing him to Tink is fair or all that accurate.
Many openly question Cjintje's ability to shoulder the load of being an MLB starter.
It is the biggest question which surrounds him, and which has resulted in him being viewed as an extreme high risk.
You may be 100% confident that is precisely why SEA, a team notorious for hanging onto home grown pitching, was willing to ship him out.
Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Always some catution with prospects. Always.
I have seen him pitch before and he looks the part. Tink is slight if build and not the sharpest cookie.
I don't think comparing him to Tink is fair or all that accurate.
Many openly question Cjintje's ability to shoulder the load of being an MLB starter.
It is the biggest question which surrounds him, and which has resulted in him being viewed as an extreme high risk.
You may be 100% confident that is precisely why SEA, a team notorious for hanging onto home grown pitching, was willing to ship him out.
Tell me. Let’s change course. Let’s say he can handle the Ml load. What kind of starter do we got.
Next- if Seattle traded anything to anyone it would have included pitching. They are loaded with it. And it wasn’t one of their top six. Plus the got a coveted player.
Melville wrote: ↑02 Feb 2026 19:47 pm
He did not panic.
But he sure failed to move the needle.
What he obtained the organization already had on hand.
Do we have a Cinjtje in the system? Flame-throwing P who could very well be a mainstay in the rotation in a year or 2? I like the idea of a future rotation of:
Doyle
Cjintje
Liberatore
McGreey
Mathews
That is what most said about Hence.
I, however, advised extreme caution.
Maybe you remember him, the former top 3 STL prospect????
Very little chance he will ever be "a mainstay in the rotation".
Might want to slow down a bit until we have had a chance to evaluate Cjintje before making reckless projections.
After all, the normally pitching stingy Mariners were willing to ship him out.....
Always some catution with prospects. Always.
I have seen him pitch before and he looks the part. Tink is slight if build and not the sharpest cookie.
I don't think comparing him to Tink is fair or all that accurate.
Many openly question Cjintje's ability to shoulder the load of being an MLB starter.
It is the biggest question which surrounds him, and which has resulted in him being viewed as an extreme high risk.
You may be 100% confident that is precisely why SEA, a team notorious for hanging onto home grown pitching, was willing to ship him out.
They also had to give to get. Donovan is a very talented player and a guy the wanted/needed. I think it was a good trade for both sides (or all 3 sides!).
