Army is out of options

[theograce]

I say tear it down to the studs.

None left I’m afraid son

[juan good eye]

Agree with Harry. If we just bench or trade Binnington, we make the playoffs. He is the worst goal tender in the league right now. That is the easy way to progress this team.

Omg the playoffs! Only half the league qualifies folks and nothing tastes like sweet 16. Forget building a Cup contender let’s go streaking! Two in a row! Two in a row! Two in a row! Toss the blue chew bc it’ll be hard to not get up for the avs beating. First round bound and down make the Lou proud boys!

Do you feel better now?

If the Blues get top 4 I will feel better about the team. An additional first round pick in the top 15 (from trades) and I might compliment Army

[TheJackBurton]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

[zuck698]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Ugh, try reading my post! I said it was not on Monty but the players! I simply referred to going 5 years on a coach in this NHL is a little long. If you read it again, you just might see we made the same conclusion! Or don't read it, makes me no difference.

[TheJackBurton]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Ugh, try reading my post! I said it was not on Monty but the players! I simply referred to going 5 years on a coach in this NHL is a little long. If you read it again, you just might see we made the same conclusion! Or don't read it, makes me no difference.

5 years isn't too long though. The average tends to be 4 as you can imagine the majority of coaches shelf life is about 2.5 seasons.

You can't build any sort of a culture with changing out a coach every 2-3 seasons.

[BalotelliMassive]

You're (Zuck) right - no clue why Armstrong dished out a five year contract to a guy that was just fired - he's handcuffed because of the length.

[zuck698]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Ugh, try reading my post! I said it was not on Monty but the players! I simply referred to going 5 years on a coach in this NHL is a little long. If you read it again, you just might see we made the same conclusion! Or don't read it, makes me no difference.

5 years isn't too long though. The average tends to be 4 as you can imagine the majority of coaches shelf life is about 2.5 seasons.

You can't build any sort of a culture with changing out a coach every 2-3 seasons.

Did I say anything in my previous post that said otherwise? I said I wouldn't have went 5 years and it is not on Monty but it is on the players! I even stated "tear it down to the studs"! Not sure why you keep thinking I am disagreeing with you? Did you actually read my entire post of just the Monty 5 year part?

[TheJackBurton]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Ugh, try reading my post! I said it was not on Monty but the players! I simply referred to going 5 years on a coach in this NHL is a little long. If you read it again, you just might see we made the same conclusion! Or don't read it, makes me no difference.

5 years isn't too long though. The average tends to be 4 as you can imagine the majority of coaches shelf life is about 2.5 seasons.

You can't build any sort of a culture with changing out a coach every 2-3 seasons.

Did I say anything in my previous post that said otherwise? I said I wouldn't have went 5 years and it is not on Monty but it is on the players! I even stated "tear it down to the studs"! Not sure why you keep thinking I am disagreeing with you? Did you actually read my entire post of just the Monty 5 year part?

But you stated you wouldn't have gone 5 years, how exactly is that agreeing with me? Saying you wouldn't have done by all accounts would mean you don't like it being a 5 year contract. What am I missing here?

I haven't disagreed with you on the rest of your post however. If we agreed then you would agree that 5 years isn't too long, but you stated differently.

[zuck698]

The OP was an open call for hot troll garbage, and that's what all this is.

Pretty sure everyone here knows I don’t troll. This was a thread for discussion purposes for the forum.

He clearly needs to send a message. What are we even playing for? I don’t want to keep hearing we are 3pts out of a playoff spot….i guess it’s 5 now so that’s a bonus. This team is absolute hot garbage and there is a serious problem in that locker room and it needs to be addressed before it infects our young players

There's your OP. Troll bait. "Hot garbage", "there is a serious problem in that locker room".

This IMHO is not typical of the vast majority of your normal posts. Have you been in the locker room? Have you been talking to the players or coaches? If so, say so. Otherwise, that may be your opinion but it's wild speculation, and it unquestionably feeds the "hot garbage" and "serious problem" troll narratives we wade through. It even led to postings about Holloway wanting out.

The locker room would be important if your speculation is true, but IMHO your statement is speculative.

Something with you has changed, you are normally FAR more analytical and insightful. Frustrated? Sure, most of us are. Expectations have not been met, and the expectations for this season are shifting in the wrong direction. This is akin to watching a stock drop in value today. What are the long-range expectations and trends? Does the long range plan need to be altered or ripped up? Why or why not? I don't think the current problems really impact the long term plan in ways that cannot be addressed. The kids are doing OK, if not great. The biggest issues appear to me to be Buchnevich, Kyrou, and Holloway's health and durability, all of which might yet self-correct.

This team is hot garbage and there are issues in that locker room. Binner ignoring the coach, we’ve seen Monty argue with other players this season..namely Kyrou. There is something off with this team.
Some of the guys have been here too long, and it’s grown stale. JR said today that he believes they are exploring moving guys like Thomas and Kyrou. He also mentioned Buch.

I said at the time, I did not agree with Army signing Monty to 5 years. No, I am not blaming the coach here, but it does limit Army's ability to make a change when it is needed. And we all know shelf life's are usually not 5 years or longer in the NHL. That being said, this is not on Monty at this point. Yes, I don't love his constant line changes or goalie choices, but here the "Cancers" have tuned out yet another coach. So I see the rationale in Army's thinking, but it does leave Steen in a tough spot if they needed to move on from Monty at some point. At this point, I say tear it down to the studs. When I watch slow line changes and moping attitudes all over the ice, the time for change was yesterday!

What? Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?

No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Ugh, try reading my post! I said it was not on Monty but the players! I simply referred to going 5 years on a coach in this NHL is a little long. If you read it again, you just might see we made the same conclusion! Or don't read it, makes me no difference.

5 years isn't too long though. The average tends to be 4 as you can imagine the majority of coaches shelf life is about 2.5 seasons.

You can't build any sort of a culture with changing out a coach every 2-3 seasons.

Did I say anything in my previous post that said otherwise? I said I wouldn't have went 5 years and it is not on Monty but it is on the players! I even stated "tear it down to the studs"! Not sure why you keep thinking I am disagreeing with you? Did you actually read my entire post of just the Monty 5 year part?

But you stated you wouldn't have gone 5 years, how exactly is that agreeing with me? Saying you wouldn't have done by all accounts would mean you don't like it being a 5 year contract. What am I missing here?

I haven't disagreed with you on the rest of your post however. If we agreed then you would agree that 5 years isn't too long, but you stated differently.

Tell me how your post in the bolded a few up and I will paste below this one, does not sound argumentative? You took one thing about me not going 5 years on Monty, and turned into a rant like I said fire him and it was not the players fault or something? I guess you are either unwilling or unable to see how you come across argumentative? Anyway, sure I wouldn't have given 5, you would have given 4. That is a difference of opinion, but don't take the rest of my post and try to make it look like I am blaming Monty and not the players. SEE BELOW:


Are you we just going to fire coaches every 18 months to give these guys a jumpstart?
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No, we need a long term to instill a system. If we have players on the team that refuse to play that system ship them out, it's as simple as that.

If we have players who have no respect for the coach, ship them out. At this point this is all simply on the players. You don't get 8 shots in two periods simply because the coach says to find better shooting opportunities. You get 8 shots in two periods because you aren't generating enough offense, or you simply are refusing to shoot.

Have a great evening Jack!