OT: Transfer Portal

[hdhntr148]

NIL hasn't changed things that much. Big brands regularly use their NIL budget and then blow past it if they had a bad year and the boosters provide the cash. Last season it was LSU where Kelly was feeling the heat as he has underperformed expectations and went all in on Defensive studs way past the NIL. BUT he didn't have funds to find good enough O linemen and he got fired.

You think Quittin Kiffin will pay any attention to NIL restrictions? LSU fans hate being humilated like they were and besides paying him a kings Ransom they reportedly gave him an almost unlimited resources to win another Natty. So Will OSU, PSU, Bama TN, TX and Aggies. plus AU backers will buck up as well.

drink said publicly that you can't go past the NIL budget but then he is a Loserboy with a massive long term contract and will find gems in portal but then not coach them up so MU isn't even in the conversation with a much tougher schedule going forward.

[dhsux]

NIL hasn't changed things that much.

Your first sentence.

The rest followed suit.

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NIL hasn't changed things that much. Big brands regularly use their NIL budget and then blow past it if they had a bad year and the boosters provide the cash. Last season it was LSU where Kelly was feeling the heat as he has underperformed expectations and went all in on Defensive studs way past the NIL. BUT he didn't have funds to find good enough O linemen and he got fired.

You think Quittin Kiffin will pay any attention to NIL restrictions? LSU fans hate being humilated like they were and besides paying him a kings Ransom they reportedly gave him an almost unlimited resources to win another Natty. So Will OSU, PSU, Bama TN, TX and Aggies. plus AU backers will buck up as well.

drink said publicly that you can't go past the NIL budget but then he is a Loserboy with a massive long term contract and will find gems in portal but then not coach them up so MU isn't even in the conversation with a much tougher schedule going forward.

There is no NIL cap. How do you think Texas Tech is getting a bye in the CFP? They have a billionaire funding their team. Same with Indiana.

[Red7]

The NCAA cannot legally restrict the portal or NIL any longer. The courts have ruled them restraints on trade. This is America. We don’t limit where people can attend college or make money. You want those kinds of limits, move to Cuba, Russia, or Iran.

The answer is a simple one that neither the universities or players/athletes want: the players are recognized as employees (which now means taxes, SS, labor laws etc), a players’ association or union is formed, and a CBA is negotiated. Those of you clinging to the 1950’s model of college sports will continue to sulk and pout, but the toothpaste is out of the tube and it’s not going back in and college sports will survive.

[jcgmoi]

You're both pretty much wrong although the payment situation remains a mess.

Under the House agreement schools are allowed to pay their athletes up to $20.5M directly, and of course the bulk of that money will go to football players.

The NCAA has established the College Sports Commission to deal with other payments in an effort to eliminate pay-for-play. The CSC will be in charge of vetting all third-party deals to make sure they comply with the terms of the House settlement. There are problems there. For example, what about deals with players that simply aren't reported? We'll see how that works out. In truth, probably not that well.

TT and their billionaire came in before the agreement. IU is different in that Cignetti just brought 17 of his best players with him.

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You're both pretty much wrong although the payment situation remains a mess.

Under the House agreement schools are allowed to pay their athletes up to $20.5M directly, and of course the bulk of that money will go to football players.

The NCAA has established the College Sports Commission to deal with other payments in an effort to eliminate pay-for-play. The CSC will be in charge of vetting all third-party deals to make sure they comply with the terms of the House settlement. There are problems there. For example, what about deals with players that simply aren't reported? We'll see how that works out. In truth, probably not that well.

TT and their billionaire came in before the agreement. IU is different in that Cignetti just brought 17 of his best players with him.

You are so naive. Check this link.

https://frontofficesports.com/schools-s ... 20disguise.

Here is an excerpt.

Starting this year, schools can directly share revenue with their college athletes—capped at $20.5 million. At the same time, the settlement implemented new restrictions on NIL (name, image, and likeness) deals specifically aimed at collectives to prevent “pay-for-play” in disguise. 

Because of the fear that NIL collective deals—previously used as recruiting inducements—wouldn’t pass the new restrictions, athletic departments came up with a new plan.

Athletic departments are now acting as de facto agencies for their players, securing outside deals or incorporating NIL guarantees for players in their own sponsors’ contracts. Some schools have created formal in-house “agencies,” while others are simply relying on athletic department officials to procure deals as part of their day-to-day.

“We can now help our athletes really serve as a marketing agency to go out and source opportunities, whether it’s corporate opportunities, whether it’s local opportunities, whether it’s social media opportunities,” Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork said on Front Office Sports Today. “That’s going to be the next race.”

[jcgmoi]

At least I can read.

There are problems there. For example, what about deals with players that simply aren't reported? We'll see how that works out. In truth, probably not that well.

So I acknowledged at least one work-around. It's still a messy situation that's open to abuse but nothing in your follow-up changes the fact that your first post was 'mostly wrong' about TT, about IU, about limits on NIL.

[11WSChamps]

Sounds like a colossal chitshow to me and will continue to be.

There's to much money floating around for it to go under.

In chaos there is profit.

[winonsports]

There is no NIL cap. How do you think Texas Tech is getting a bye in the CFP? They have a billionaire funding their team. Same with Indiana.

Texas Tech and Indiana got byes for winning their conference against fairly weak schedules.

[doctor doctor]

The NCAA cannot legally restrict the portal or NIL any longer. The courts have ruled them restraints on trade. This is America. We don’t limit where people can attend college or make money. You want those kinds of limits, move to Cuba, Russia, or Iran.

The answer is a simple one that neither the universities or players/athletes want: the players are recognized as employees (which now means taxes, SS, labor laws etc), a players’ association or union is formed, and a CBA is negotiated. Those of you clinging to the 1950’s model of college sports will continue to sulk and pout, but the toothpaste is out of the tube and it’s not going back in and college sports will survive.

Wait a minute. The money these players are getting is not subject to income tax???

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At least I can read.

There are problems there. For example, what about deals with players that simply aren't reported? We'll see how that works out. In truth, probably not that well.

So I acknowledged at least one work-around. It's still a messy situation that's open to abuse but nothing in your follow-up changes the fact that your first post was 'mostly wrong' about TT, about IU, about limits on NIL.

And you still believe the NCAA has teeth. Just like the 100-year-old guy in the nursing home.

[rezero]

There is no NIL cap. How do you think Texas Tech is getting a bye in the CFP? They have a billionaire funding their team. Same with Indiana.

Texas Tech and Indiana got byes for winning their conference against fairly weak schedules.

Here are the facts:

1) Each school has $20.5M they can spend, but there has not been clarification on how that needs to be divided between sports. There are already two lawsuits that have been filed that says half should go to female sports, but those will take some time to get resolved.

2) Individuals who donate to the schools NIL fund or pay students directly will need to pass a clearinghouse setup by the NCAA to prevent someone buying a championship. With that said, there is still debate on who that clearinghouse is and how the makeup is constructed.

3) Businesses can donate and spend as much as they would like as there is currently no restriction on businesses. So Nike could but an Oregon Championship if they desire. There is also nothing that prevents a rich billionaire to buy a championship through the umbrella of a company since there were no defined standards on what a “business” is in the language. So an individual could setup an LLC and donate away.

4) NIL money is taxed as normal income for the players.

This is just a mess with vague to no rules so in effect anything is possible.

[rezero]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

One big measure Id love to see the NCAA take is allowing schools to offer NIL or Scholarships, but not both.

If a player accepts the scholarship he reaps all the benefits of a student athlete at that university. If they choose to accept NIL money at any point they pay for everything listed below.

However, if a guy takes NIL money he’s excluded from scholarships and pays his own tuition, room and board, meal plan, pays for travel expenses (flight, meals, hotel) and pays a training/nutrition staff, assistant, and uniform fee.

Make NIL hurt, and maybe you’ll rein it in. Because if a guy is getting $500k and has to pay a $65,000 out of state tuition and other miscellaneous expenses that normal collegians pay, maybe he’ll consider the scholarship route.


I’d also cut the number of scholarships at a school to around 50. That’s enough to fill a depth chart with players who want to be there. This frees up university money for non athlete students who need really need it.

There is a model that is being talked about (and some being trialed), where schools simply sell off the athletic department and there is a clean divorce between school and athletics. The Big10 have discussed it and instead wanted to just sell the rights to their athletic programs to private equity, but sill maintain some level of control. They found a lower tier PE firm willing to do it, but larger PE firms will want control. Michigan and USC blocked it because they know they are one of the few Big10 schools that have the funds needed in the short term and do not need to sell out their future to PE. Utah made the move on a temporary basis and they maintained control but again a lower tier PE (see below). We are in an era that is not sustainable and even major conferences like Big10 realize it and know they have a 1-3yr window to get help. Only 40% of college sports operated in the black in 2023 and this is before allowing them to spend $20M on players. Many schools know this is a figure they can not support long term.

100%

I think the rising costs of tuition can also be blunted significantly if universities don’t have to spend millions a year on stadium maintenance and upkeep/construction.

Cutting athletics at the collegiate level would help the higher education tuition costs significantly.

Agree. Jennifer Cohen who is the AD for USC said something pretty profound when they were going against the Big10 on the whole private equity thing. She said in times like this you don’t want to be first. The first team to jump in with a private equity will be feeling out the process and will undoubtedly make mistakes that could cost tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. You want to lower tier conference or school to jump in first then learn from what happens.

[Rollin' on the River]

We are truly in an unprecedented time. Kids are transferring to maximize their college earning potential. If they are not getting playing time, they leave to find a spot they can be on field to showcase their talents and open them up for a future payday. Others are just moving from A to B for a higher paycheck. As Saban mentioned last week, we will get to a point where you rebuild rosters annually. His analogy was like the NFL only having 1 year contracts. This is what college has become. ESPN estimated that only 20% of college football players are actually picking a school based on the education. So of the 60 man roster, only 12 are there because that school is the one that offers them the education they desire. Let that sink in for a moment.

You have the situation sussed correctly. This is an unsustainable business model. NCAA must take corrective measures preferablfy sooner than later.

One big measure Id love to see the NCAA take is allowing schools to offer NIL or Scholarships, but not both.

If a player accepts the scholarship he reaps all the benefits of a student athlete at that university. If they choose to accept NIL money at any point they pay for everything listed below.

However, if a guy takes NIL money he’s excluded from scholarships and pays his own tuition, room and board, meal plan, pays for travel expenses (flight, meals, hotel) and pays a training/nutrition staff, assistant, and uniform fee.

Make NIL hurt, and maybe you’ll rein it in. Because if a guy is getting $500k and has to pay a $65,000 out of state tuition and other miscellaneous expenses that normal collegians pay, maybe he’ll consider the scholarship route.


I’d also cut the number of scholarships at a school to around 50. That’s enough to fill a depth chart with players who want to be there. This frees up university money for non athlete students who need really need it.

There is a model that is being talked about (and some being trialed), where schools simply sell off the athletic department and there is a clean divorce between school and athletics. The Big10 have discussed it and instead wanted to just sell the rights to their athletic programs to private equity, but sill maintain some level of control. They found a lower tier PE firm willing to do it, but larger PE firms will want control. Michigan and USC blocked it because they know they are one of the few Big10 schools that have the funds needed in the short term and do not need to sell out their future to PE. Utah made the move on a temporary basis and they maintained control but again a lower tier PE (see below). We are in an era that is not sustainable and even major conferences like Big10 realize it and know they have a 1-3yr window to get help. Only 40% of college sports operated in the black in 2023 and this is before allowing them to spend $20M on players. Many schools know this is a figure they can not support long term.

100%

I think the rising costs of tuition can also be blunted significantly if universities don’t have to spend millions a year on stadium maintenance and upkeep/construction.

Cutting athletics at the collegiate level would help the higher education tuition costs significantly.

Agree. Jennifer Cohen who is the AD for USC said something pretty profound when they were going against the Big10 on the whole private equity thing. She said in times like this you don’t want to be first. The first team to jump in with a private equity will be feeling out the process and will undoubtedly make mistakes that could cost tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. You want to lower tier conference or school to jump in first then learn from what happens.

I just wonder what Mizzou could’ve done with that money that they sank into the far end zone. New computers? Better academic professors/offerings? What could they have done with it that’s better than what they did with it

[Curmudgeon]

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I just wonder what Mizzou could’ve done with that money that they sank into the far end zone. New computers? Better academic professors/offerings? What could they have done with it that’s better than what they did with it

You do understand, don't you, that contributions to the Athletic Department are unrelated to the costs of supporting the University's academic mission?

[Rollin' on the River]

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I just wonder what Mizzou could’ve done with that money that they sank into the far end zone. New computers? Better academic professors/offerings? What could they have done with it that’s better than what they did with it

You do understand, don't you, that contributions to the Athletic Department are unrelated to the costs of supporting the University's academic mission?

My argument is that if mid major schools like Mizzou didn’t fund a football program that they can’t afford to compete in in this new age of football, perhaps those donations would’ve went somewhere more beneficial than the south end one