Are odds good that Cardinals will add a player to Donovan deal to finalize the trade ?

[ramfandan]

Often when fans/media look for a return for an established top flight player , the speculation is Top flight player in exchange for Players A, B, or even C
In Donovan's case, the players the Cardinals wish in a trade may not match up exactly with Donovan solo. The acquiring team may feel what the Cardinals are asking for is too steep for Donovan's worth. As the two sides keep negotiating, the Cardinals may say 'Well those are the 2 (or 3 guys we seek to make a deal with you ) . So the acquiring team evenually says 'Ok , if you (the Cardinals) add prospect X with Donovan, we will surrender the guys you seek . Player X may be agreeable OR the Cardinals say well not Player X but we would do Prospect Y . Then the deal gets completed.

So long story short , I think the odds are good that if Donovan is traded (say to Mariners or Giants as examples) that the Cardinals will send not only Donovan but include someone else to get the 'haul' the Cardinals wish .

So something along the lines of Cardinals sending 2 (Donovan and someone) to the acquiring team for 3 players . A 5 player swap possibly ?
Anyone else agree that an added Cardinal will be sent with Donovan as I do ?

[Whatashame]

That may be possible but we are entirely in the dark making guesses. The way I’m looking at this is the Cardinals aren’t happy with what has been offered and are holding out for a change of heart from a team.

Maybe the possible availability of Marte is slowing some teams down. He’s a better player who could be used at the same position as Donovan. I’ve heard Seattle has interest in both players. I’ve heard Boston has interest in both. Same with the Mets. Same with the Yankees. I think when Arizona makes a decision on Marte then some teams will change their focus back to Donovan.

The one thing that has baffled me is if there was all of this interest in Donovan from all of these teams and the Cardinals according to a report from Woo have narrowed it down to players from the Mariners and the Giants, no one was going to offer more than what the Giants offered? The Giants don’t have a lot to offer but that wasn’t hard to beat. The Yankees, the Mets, the Sox could all do better if there was true interest unless they are holding back trying to offer more to acquire Marte.

The Mariners I’m not understanding unless they are also holding back hoping to land Marte. The Mariners don’t want to offer up any starters from the major league staff and want to hang onto their top pitching prospects also. I understand that to a point but if you want to make a deal then you have be a little flexible. You will give up your #3 and #7 prospects but you won’t give up your #4 prospect.

This is all speculation because we don’t really know what is going on but I think that Marte might be slowing things up a little. I think the Cardinals would do a deal with Martes and Sloan, even if they have to add another piece but maybe the Mariners can’t make that commitment with the possibility of Marte being available. If the Mariners keep their current starting rotation and the Cardinals aren’t asking for the Mariners top pitching prospect in Cade Anderson, is Sloan such a deal breaker he couldn’t be in this deal. He’s still a couple of years away and things change a lot in a couple of years.

To answer your question maybe the Cardinals do add a Romero to this deal to get a player they would rather have although BTV probably finds a Sloan and Martes deal not that much out of line. I think that once the Marte situation clears up, maybe a couple more suitors take more interest.

[mattmitchl44]

Yes, I've said from the beginning that the Cardinals should be trading Donovan for quality not quantity in prospects.

They could certainly add Romero, Pages/Crooks, etc. to try to get some other team to part with a MLB Top 25 prospect.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

I'm sure all options are on the table. So far every move made since the end of the season (not many I admit) has been a good one for a team looking to build a successful core and in a rebuild. So heck, If it takes adding something to Donovan to land a sub-25 ranked prospect I'm sure they will do that.'

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

I think an add in is quiet possible. I can see Noot (4th outfielder on a good team and IMO in that role (bleep) good) and Donovan for a very nice prospect.

[ecleme22]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

[Melville]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

[Ozziesfan41]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

another Mel wait until the deadline and trade them when their value is down like when you said extend helsley for 5 years ir trade him and fedde at the deadline because their value will be higher lol

[moose-and-squirrel]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

why would you trade Mathews? he's exactly what you should be trading for

[Melville]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

why would you trade Mathews? he's exactly what you should be trading for

Fair question.
Doyle, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe.
Not all can fit onto the LH starting pitcher role for STL (of course, not all will ever establish themselves at the MLB level).
But that depth does make Mathews expendable and the key with prospects is knowing who to keep and when to deal the others.
If Mathews can be packaged to obtain badly needed outfield talent already at the MLB level, it would rather obviously be the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

[rockondlouie]

If you're shooting for moon as I have when going after B. Woo (Donny + JoJo + Mathews or Hence), then yes!

But if you're going after a top notch prospect, then no since Donny alone will being that back.

[ramfandan]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

why would you trade Mathews? he's exactly what you should be trading for

Fair question.
Doyle, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe.
Not all can fit onto the LH starting pitcher role for STL (of course, not all will ever establish themselves at the MLB level).
But that depth does make Mathews expendable and the key with prospects is knowing who to keep and when to deal the others.
If Mathews can be packaged to obtain badly needed outfield talent already at the MLB level, it would rather obviously be the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

Don’t quite understand the ‘not all can fit into the lefty starting pitcher role’ as it implies that a team should have ONE starting lefty.
Even with a ton of righty batters in MLB I would be open minded and not limit the number.
Ex. If I had Kershaw, Sabathia, R. Johnson, Carlton I would not care if I had only one right hand starter or even none.
If the top Cardinal pitchers are several lefty guys then go with them . It appears that Libby and Doyle are already two .

[Melville]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

why would you trade Mathews? he's exactly what you should be trading for

Fair question.
Doyle, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe.
Not all can fit onto the LH starting pitcher role for STL (of course, not all will ever establish themselves at the MLB level).
But that depth does make Mathews expendable and the key with prospects is knowing who to keep and when to deal the others.
If Mathews can be packaged to obtain badly needed outfield talent already at the MLB level, it would rather obviously be the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

Don’t quite understand the ‘not all can fit into the lefty starting pitcher role’ as it implies that a team should have ONE starting lefty.
Even with a ton of righty batters in MLB I would be open minded and not limit the number.
Ex. If I had Kershaw, Sabathia, R. Johnson, Carlton I would not care if I had only one right hand starter or even none.
If the top Cardinal pitchers are several lefty guys then go with them . It appears that Libby and Doyle are already two .

Kindly allow me to further unpack the point.
One - you are looking at it from STL's perspective - rather than the wants / needs of other teams.
Two - trades are best made from an area of depth from one team to an area of dearth with another.
Three - as you point out, Liberatore and Doyle are already in STL's long-term plans, as are McGreevy, Fitts, and potentially Leahy - with May being in the picture for at least 1-2 years.
Four - with Mathews, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe all currently chasing the 6 listed above, there is redundancy.
Five - with starting pitchers always being highly valued - and LH starters in particular - there may very well be an opportunity to deal Mathews as part of an effort to add RH hitting position player talent.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Ozziesfan41]

Donovan is always going to be the main topic, but of course Romero, Noot or other players can be a part of a multi-player package.

The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is for STL to attempt to extend Donovan and trade him before the July deadline if he does not sign.
However, if Bloom is determined to trade him in the off-season, I have long advised it big a larger and more significant package deal.
Romero, Moot, Walker, Bernal, Mathews, Hence and several others should all be part of the consideration.

why would you trade Mathews? he's exactly what you should be trading for

Fair question.
Doyle, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe.
Not all can fit onto the LH starting pitcher role for STL (of course, not all will ever establish themselves at the MLB level).
But that depth does make Mathews expendable and the key with prospects is knowing who to keep and when to deal the others.
If Mathews can be packaged to obtain badly needed outfield talent already at the MLB level, it would rather obviously be the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.

Don’t quite understand the ‘not all can fit into the lefty starting pitcher role’ as it implies that a team should have ONE starting lefty.
Even with a ton of righty batters in MLB I would be open minded and not limit the number.
Ex. If I had Kershaw, Sabathia, R. Johnson, Carlton I would not care if I had only one right hand starter or even none.
If the top Cardinal pitchers are several lefty guys then go with them . It appears that Libby and Doyle are already two .

Kindly allow me to further unpack the point.
One - you are looking at it from STL's perspective - rather than the wants / needs of other teams.
Two - trades are best made from an area of depth from one team to an area of dearth with another.
Three - as you point out, Liberatore and Doyle are already in STL's long-term plans, as are McGreevy, Fitts, and potentially Leahy - with May being in the picture for at least 1-2 years.
Four - with Mathews, Clarke, Henderson, Mautz, Hjerpe all currently chasing the 6 listed above, there is redundancy.
Five - with starting pitchers always being highly valued - and LH starters in particular - there may very well be an opportunity to deal Mathews as part of an effort to add RH hitting position player talent.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Just because you have some depth at starting pitching doesn’t mean you trade them. The Cardinals thought they had outfield depth when they traded arorozorena they thought they had starting pitching depth when they traded gallen and alcantara also. Starting pitching depth goes away very quickly with injuries and ineffectiveness I would rather them keep the starting pitching depth so they aren’t stuck like season running the same terrible starters out there start after start because you can’t replace them. The correct choice is to trade Donovan for an outfield and starting pitching prospect. If they develop five good cost controlled starters they can spend money on outfield help

[TraveledLessRoad]

The speculation has been around Cinjente and Montes for Donny. I'd sweetin that by adding Romero + to that deal and try and get either Sloan and Montes or even Bryce Miller and Montes.

[Melville]

The speculation has been around Cinjente and Montes for Donny. I'd sweetin that by adding Romero + to that deal and try and get either Sloan and Montes or even Bryce Miller and Montes.

Agree - STL should include Romero and Miller must be part of the return.