In my opinion it's defense first

[CorneliusWolfe]

Maybe this has been brought up but I'm not going to go through every Donovan thread here.

Does the fact the Cardinals have made it clear they are in tear down payroll mode make it harder for Bloom to get good value for Donovan?

Teams may well believe that they can squeeze Bloom because they know when push comes to shove the Cardinals aren't going to do a major contract for Donovan and teams can bide their time.

May or may not be a factor just a thought.

A interesting thought. Could be something to it. If they’re going to trade him they might should do it soon and not get too overly greedy.

[CorneliusWolfe]

C keep Pages (C +2), let Herrera DH (C -3)
1B keep Contreras (1B +4), trade Burleson (1B -1)
2B try Wetherholt, trade Gorman (2B -3)
SS keep Winn (SS +22)
3B keep Arenado (3B +15), trade Gorman (3B -6)
OF keep Scott CF (OF +14), Church RF (OF +4), Nootbar (OF -2), trade Walker (OF -22), Burleson (OF -17), Donovan (OF -3)

Projected 2026 defense of departures saves 28.2 runs
-9.3 Burleson
-9.2 Walker
-8.8 Gorman
-0.9 Donovan

How bad will the offense become as a result? Well, maybe not much different!

• We hope Nootbar can hit like Burleson; not a stretch; maybe Noot gets better without heel pain.
• We hope Church can hit like Walker; not a stretch; Walker has been awful
• We hope Arenado can hit like Gorman; not a stretch; Gorman has been awful
• We hope Wetherholt can hit like Donovan; not a stretch; Wetherholt should hit but we shall see.

Hmmm. Maybe we SHOULD play a good defense and hope they can hit.
Seems more likely to succeed than playing an equally poor offense that we know can't field.

BTW: I"m not trading Donovan because of his defense, I'm just assuming he's gone. The other 3 I'm trading due to bad defense as suggested by the OP.

Excellent analysis.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Would you say that- good pitching leads to stellar defense; or, stellar defense leads to good pitching.

Hand in hand. Hard to even have one without the other. We do need some offense too but should never over-sacrifice pitching and defense to get it.

I’d accept get-by hitting in favor of great pitching and defense.

[11WSChamps]

Maybe this has been brought up but I'm not going to go through every Donovan thread here.

Does the fact the Cardinals have made it clear they are in tear down payroll mode make it harder for Bloom to get good value for Donovan?

Teams may well believe that they can squeeze Bloom because they know when push comes to shove the Cardinals aren't going to do a major contract for Donovan and teams can bide their time.

May or may not be a factor just a thought.

Not a bit because bloom has also made it clear they don’t have to trade Donovan and would only trade him if they are overwhelmed and other teams know it’s true because Donovan has two years of control left and isn’t making a lot of money.

But isn't the reason people have said here that's one of the reasons he has so much value now?

This time next year not nearly as much value.

[Ozziesfan41]

Maybe this has been brought up but I'm not going to go through every Donovan thread here.

Does the fact the Cardinals have made it clear they are in tear down payroll mode make it harder for Bloom to get good value for Donovan?

Teams may well believe that they can squeeze Bloom because they know when push comes to shove the Cardinals aren't going to do a major contract for Donovan and teams can bide their time.

May or may not be a factor just a thought.

Not a bit because bloom has also made it clear they don’t have to trade Donovan and would only trade him if they are overwhelmed and other teams know it’s true because Donovan has two years of control left and isn’t making a lot of money.

But isn't the reason people have said here that's one of the reasons he has so much value now?

This time next year not nearly as much value.

Yes everyone knows he has more value now but bloom has set a value on him and if no one gives him what he deems his value to be worth then he will keep him and probably try to sign him to an extension. The only reason for bloom to trade Donovan is to help speed up the rebuild by getting more high end top prospects if he’s not offered that he won’t trade him

[11WSChamps]

Maybe this has been brought up but I'm not going to go through every Donovan thread here.

Does the fact the Cardinals have made it clear they are in tear down payroll mode make it harder for Bloom to get good value for Donovan?

Teams may well believe that they can squeeze Bloom because they know when push comes to shove the Cardinals aren't going to do a major contract for Donovan and teams can bide their time.

May or may not be a factor just a thought.

Not a bit because bloom has also made it clear they don’t have to trade Donovan and would only trade him if they are overwhelmed and other teams know it’s true because Donovan has two years of control left and isn’t making a lot of money.

But isn't the reason people have said here that's one of the reasons he has so much value now?

This time next year not nearly as much value.

Yes everyone knows he has more value now but bloom has set a value on him and if no one gives him what he deems his value to be worth then he will keep him and probably try to sign him to an extension. The only reason for bloom to trade Donovan is to help speed up the rebuild by getting more high end top prospects if he’s not offered that he won’t trade him

So you really believe they're going to give him the kind of contract the market will command if they don't trade him?

[rockondlouie]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

[Cranny]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

[sikeston bulldog2]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

My biggest concern is the rate of flame out these studs have. I’ve long contended we identified decent to good young talent. We’ve developed them well. But once on the big team, brave new world.

Is it just the nature of the league.

[rockondlouie]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

[Cranny]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

That's a nothing answer, Rock. Two different things - bringing players into the system and developing those players.
I agree that the development needed to be improved, and it's happening. But my question to you was -
who was the POBO when those 4 players were brought into the system?

[rockondlouie]

This team is sorely lacking in power, they have two Gold Glove caliber fielders who aren't good offensive players already in M. Winn & VSII.

What they need is a powerhitter or two (good luck finding one when BDWJr isn't spending any real money for a few years), not more glove only players.

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

That's a nothing answer, Rock. Two different things - bringing players into the system and developing those players.
I agree that the development needed to be improved, and it's happening. But my question to you was -
who was the POBO when those 4 players were brought into the system?

Huh?

The minor league system has made it's jump in the ratings thanks to the great work Bloom did rebuilding/staffing the minor league system that was a complete and utter mess under Mo.

And he also had a hand in the past two drafts.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to Mo, then fine.

But the majority of Cardinals fans realize he's the reason (along w/BDWJr) the franchise finds itself in the hole they're now in.

[Cranny]

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

That's a nothing answer, Rock. Two different things - bringing players into the system and developing those players.
I agree that the development needed to be improved, and it's happening. But my question to you was -
who was the POBO when those 4 players were brought into the system?

Huh?

The minor league system has made it's jump in the ratings thanks to the great work Bloom did rebuilding/staffing the minor league system that was a complete and utter mess under Mo.

And he also had a hand in the past two drafts.

And that's exactly why I pointed out the examples of players that were brought in prior to the last 2 drafts.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to Mo, then fine.

But the majority of Cardinals fans realize he's the reason (along w/BDWJr) the franchise finds itself in the hole they're now in.

[Cranny]

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

That's a nothing answer, Rock. Two different things - bringing players into the system and developing those players.
I agree that the development needed to be improved, and it's happening. But my question to you was -
who was the POBO when those 4 players were brought into the system?

Huh?

The minor league system has made it's jump in the ratings thanks to the great work Bloom did rebuilding/staffing the minor league system that was a complete and utter mess under Mo.

And he also had a hand in the past two drafts.

And that's exactly why I pointed out the examples of players that were brought in prior to the last 2 drafts.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to Mo, then fine.

But the majority of Cardinals fans realize he's the reason (along w/BDWJr) the franchise finds itself in the hole they're now in.

Well, unlike guys who bash Mo for everything from his bow ties, to his scarves, to his sweaters around his shoulders, to
his track record over the last 10 years, I try to take a more objective view. I both criticize him for bad things and praise him for good things over the nearly 30 years he's been with the organization. I guess it's something you simply can't bring yourself to do, can you Rock?

[JDW]

Haven't read thru, but my question is when does Arenado's defense start to regress significantly?
He wasn't so good in 2024 with his defense I don't think and plays the position rather unconventional.
Some of his "dazzling" plays wouldn't look so plus if executed more fundamentally.
Example, plant and throw hard instead on a play to the right instead of running with the ball and throwing weakly off balance in foul territory.
Yes, doing it Arenado's style can make it appear to some he really ranged to his right because of where he ends up way into foul territory, but it's somewhat deceptive to the eye compared to the way you'd try and teach it.
jmo

[Cranny]

Arenado on the infield makes for a better team in the field. What would you say if he rebounded and hit 250 ish, living on singles and shots down the line and in the gaps.

It’s just as likely he has a better year. And young staff needs all it can get from its defense. Whole point of pitching.

I've posted the same a couple times BDog, perhaps being healthy now he bounces back to a .725-.750 OPS while still playing above average defense.

But what this team really needs is a powerhitter.

Or two.

But since that power hitter isn’t at third both in house or by way of trade, then we must settle for defense next. And as mentioned, not many better. Still.

Or two for sure.

Bloom has really got his work cut out for him finding one, let alone two and they need to play either in the OF or corner infield!

If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I
If only you believe like I believe, baby (If only you believe like I believe)
We'd get by
If only you believe in miracles, baby (If only you believe in miracles)
So would I

What the state of the team shows is how far we have fallen. It’s one thing to fall into a hole with an easier recovery. It’s another to get neck deep. We are neck deep.

Mo left C. Bloom a total mess, from the lowest minor league team to the Cardinals.

If that's the case, why was the Cardinals minor league system recently rated so high?

Because Bloom has been working on it and fixed it over the last two years, but of course you knew that but still have to be a toady footstool for Mo.

Well, let's see Rock. The Springfield Cardinals had a terrific season in 2025. They were 88-50. Four key plyers on that team were Leo Bernal Josh Baez, Ixan Henderson, and Brysen Mautz. Bernal and Baez came into the organization in 2021. Bernal just won the minor league Gold Glove Award. Mautz was drafted in 2022. Mautz was drafted in 2023. Both Henderson and Mautz had ERAs in the 2s as starters. Let's see, who was the POBO when those players were selected?

Again

Bloom has been repairing Mo's broken farm system for the past two years, what don't you understand?

That's a nothing answer, Rock. Two different things - bringing players into the system and developing those players.
I agree that the development needed to be improved, and it's happening. But my question to you was -
who was the POBO when those 4 players were brought into the system?

Huh?

The minor league system has made it's jump in the ratings thanks to the great work Bloom did rebuilding/staffing the minor league system that was a complete and utter mess under Mo.

And he also had a hand in the past two drafts.

If you want to keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to Mo, then fine.

But the majority of Cardinals fans realize he's the reason (along w/BDWJr) the franchise finds itself in the hole they're now in.

One last thing, Rock. I very carefully selected those Springfield players because they were brought in before the last 2 drafts.