C. Bloom now on 101.1 explaining the deal

[82birds]

Refreshing to hear Bloom talk in real terms

Mo word salad had become stale

+ 1,000,000

[imetsatchelpaige]

Refreshing to hear Bloom talk in real terms

Mo word salad had become stale

+ 1,000,000

+1,000,001
I actually listened to our GM and did not feel like throwing up for the first time in years.

[82birds]

Refreshing to hear Bloom talk in real terms

Mo word salad had become stale

+ 1,000,000

+1,000,001
I actually listened to our GM and did not feel like throwing up for the first time in years.

me too

[dugoutrex]

makes me not want to go to a game for a few years

[zuck698]

Refreshing to hear Bloom talk in real terms

Mo word salad had become stale

+ 1,000,000

+1,000,001
I actually listened to our GM and did not feel like throwing up for the first time in years.

You mean you didn't hear phrases like these: "we will look to fill from within", "we must augment what we don't have", "punch above our weight"," we need more runway", "the model will be tested", "quite frankly, we are where we are right now", or my personal favorite, "we have looked at all aspects of our team, and quite frankly, both Bill and I feel like we will have a team that is competitive next season", after finishing with a losing record and making no add ons. Yes, it was quite refreshing not to hear more Bow Tie slang for sure.

[Youboughtit]

Say's Clark has as much talent as any pitcher in the minor leagues, just has to be developed.

Knows he's far away from his ceiling but he could be elite if we can get him there

As Bloom stated, he has that grade 70 slider (Grade 70 is a plus plus rating on the scouts scale ) .
He has ability that cannot be taught is correct. His issues thus far has been health and command. He had those blisters so pitching guys need to work with him on ways to eliminate that . Command is also something that coaches can hope to deveiop. What you cannot teach is to throw that wipeout slide the way he does.
Will he become top shelf remains to be seen but the type talent you take a shot on for if he develops , you have a true gem.

Classis big payroll vs medium/low payroll trade. We are hoping the player will develop. They add to a contending team. I suspect the key is the money saved which will be spent on a starting pitcher.

Gray didn’t fit the 3-5 year rebuild plan but neither does Contreras or Arenado. Once one is gone I expect all 3 moves and things to be really hard to watch this year. Isn’t this want last year was supposed to be? Still going backwards.

[hornetfb52]

makes me not want to go to a game for a few years

This move…this move makes you not want to go to a game for a few years. Interesting.

[icon]

Noteworthy was his statement about the $20 million sent to the Red Sox along with Sonny Gray. He was asked whether cash could be sent in future deals of veterans in order to get better prospects.

He replied that every deal is different, and that you have to take into consideration that cash sent in deals will impact payroll. In other words, he wasn't saying that the $20 million saved on the Sonny Gray contract was now available to be spent. Conversely, he seemed to be saying the $20 million sent to the Red Sox will limit payroll. Was I hearing that wrong?

[dugoutrex]

makes me not want to go to a game for a few years

This move…this move makes you not want to go to a game for a few years. Interesting.

yup - a tanking franchise isn't getting my ca$h until 27ish

[dugoutrex]

Noteworthy was his statement about the $20 million sent to the Red Sox along with Sonny Gray. He was asked whether cash could be sent in future deals of veterans in order to get better prospects.

He replied that every deal is different, and that you have to take into consideration that cash sent in deals will impact payroll. In other words, he wasn't saying that the $20 million saved on the Sonny Gray contract was now available to be spent. Conversely, he seemed to be saying the $20 million sent to the Red Sox will limit payroll. Was I hearing that wrong?

of course spending 20 million on a guy who isn't even here is going to have an effect on payroll

[Talkin' Baseball]

Noteworthy was his statement about the $20 million sent to the Red Sox along with Sonny Gray. He was asked whether cash could be sent in future deals of veterans in order to get better prospects.

He replied that every deal is different, and that you have to take into consideration that cash sent in deals will impact payroll. In other words, he wasn't saying that the $20 million saved on the Sonny Gray contract was now available to be spent. Conversely, he seemed to be saying the $20 million sent to the Red Sox will limit payroll. Was I hearing that wrong?

It would be accurate to reflect the 20M that went to Boston as part of the payroll expense in St Louis this season.

[ScotchMIrish]

Say's Clark has as much talent as any pitcher in the minor leagues, just has to be developed.

Knows he's far away from his ceiling but he could be elite if we can get him there

As Bloom stated, he has that grade 70 slider (Grade 70 is a plus plus rating on the scouts scale ) .
He has ability that cannot be taught is correct. His issues thus far has been health and command. He had those blisters so pitching guys need to work with him on ways to eliminate that . Command is also something that coaches can hope to deveiop. What you cannot teach is to throw that wipeout slide the way he does.
Will he become top shelf remains to be seen but the type talent you take a shot on for if he develops , you have a true gem.

Classis big payroll vs medium/low payroll trade. We are hoping the player will develop. They add to a contending team. I suspect the key is the money saved which will be spent on a starting pitcher.

Gray didn’t fit the 3-5 year rebuild plan but neither does Contreras or Arenado. Once one is gone I expect all 3 moves and things to be really hard to watch this year. Isn’t this want last year was supposed to be? Still going backwards.

That would be the best scenario assuming we can find trade partners. I wouldn't expect much for Arenado. Contreras a little more but remember even as a catcher on the Cardinals were willing to pay that much. He has value but not as much at 1B.

[Ace]

makes me not want to go to a game for a few years

This move…this move makes you not want to go to a game for a few years. Interesting.

yup - a tanking franchise isn't getting my ca$h until 27ish

If it's a tanking franchise, why would you expect them to be better in 2027 to get your "ca$h"?

[Youboughtit]

Say's Clark has as much talent as any pitcher in the minor leagues, just has to be developed.

Knows he's far away from his ceiling but he could be elite if we can get him there

As Bloom stated, he has that grade 70 slider (Grade 70 is a plus plus rating on the scouts scale ) .
He has ability that cannot be taught is correct. His issues thus far has been health and command. He had those blisters so pitching guys need to work with him on ways to eliminate that . Command is also something that coaches can hope to deveiop. What you cannot teach is to throw that wipeout slide the way he does.
Will he become top shelf remains to be seen but the type talent you take a shot on for if he develops , you have a true gem.

Classis big payroll vs medium/low payroll trade. We are hoping the player will develop. They add to a contending team. I suspect the key is the money saved which will be spent on a starting pitcher.

Gray didn’t fit the 3-5 year rebuild plan but neither does Contreras or Arenado. Once one is gone I expect all 3 moves and things to be really hard to watch this year. Isn’t this want last year was supposed to be? Still going backwards.

That would be the best scenario assuming we can find trade partners. I wouldn't expect much for Arenado. Contreras a little more but remember even as a catcher on the Cardinals were willing to pay that much. He has value but not as much at 1B.

The problem with them is they are B grade players. Nice to have if you have 3 superstars. The cardinals have been trying to promote them as elite. Same problem the rest of roster. Missing the 3 superstars. To develop them it will take 5 plus seasons.

[ScotchMIrish]

Say's Clark has as much talent as any pitcher in the minor leagues, just has to be developed.

Knows he's far away from his ceiling but he could be elite if we can get him there

As Bloom stated, he has that grade 70 slider (Grade 70 is a plus plus rating on the scouts scale ) .
He has ability that cannot be taught is correct. His issues thus far has been health and command. He had those blisters so pitching guys need to work with him on ways to eliminate that . Command is also something that coaches can hope to deveiop. What you cannot teach is to throw that wipeout slide the way he does.
Will he become top shelf remains to be seen but the type talent you take a shot on for if he develops , you have a true gem.

Classis big payroll vs medium/low payroll trade. We are hoping the player will develop. They add to a contending team. I suspect the key is the money saved which will be spent on a starting pitcher.

Gray didn’t fit the 3-5 year rebuild plan but neither does Contreras or Arenado. Once one is gone I expect all 3 moves and things to be really hard to watch this year. Isn’t this want last year was supposed to be? Still going backwards.

That would be the best scenario assuming we can find trade partners. I wouldn't expect much for Arenado. Contreras a little more but remember even as a catcher on the Cardinals were willing to pay that much. He has value but not as much at 1B.

The problem with them is they are B grade players. Nice to have if you have 3 superstars. The cardinals have been trying to promote them as elite. Same problem the rest of roster. Missing the 3 superstars. To develop them it will take 5 plus seasons.

We don't have a future HOF player but Donovan is top 5 at second base. If they move him Bloom had better get a lot more than he got for Gray.

[ICCFIM2]

Say's Clark has as much talent as any pitcher in the minor leagues, just has to be developed.

Knows he's far away from his ceiling but he could be elite if we can get him there

As Bloom stated, he has that grade 70 slider (Grade 70 is a plus plus rating on the scouts scale ) .
He has ability that cannot be taught is correct. His issues thus far has been health and command. He had those blisters so pitching guys need to work with him on ways to eliminate that . Command is also something that coaches can hope to deveiop. What you cannot teach is to throw that wipeout slide the way he does.
Will he become top shelf remains to be seen but the type talent you take a shot on for if he develops , you have a true gem.

Classis big payroll vs medium/low payroll trade. We are hoping the player will develop. They add to a contending team. I suspect the key is the money saved which will be spent on a starting pitcher.

Gray didn’t fit the 3-5 year rebuild plan but neither does Contreras or Arenado. Once one is gone I expect all 3 moves and things to be really hard to watch this year. Isn’t this want last year was supposed to be? Still going backwards.

That would be the best scenario assuming we can find trade partners. I wouldn't expect much for Arenado. Contreras a little more but remember even as a catcher on the Cardinals were willing to pay that much. He has value but not as much at 1B.

The problem with them is they are B grade players. Nice to have if you have 3 superstars. The cardinals have been trying to promote them as elite. Same problem the rest of roster. Missing the 3 superstars. To develop them it will take 5 plus seasons.

The Cards have 3 potential position superstar players in the system, Wetherholdt, Herrera and Baez. Winn and Burleson are solid ML players. If the Cards can hit on 2 out of the 3 as superstars, they can buy the third one. That can be accomplished in 2 seasons. If they are all misses, yes, it will be 5 seasons. The more high end guys you add, the better the chance you hit on one or two of them. I expect Donovan will deliver 2 more prospects that are both higher rated than Brandon Clark, who is now our 7th ranked prospect on the updated list. Yep, the Cards have missed on almost every single prospect for the last decade. Sure we are due to hit on some...