In a Tough Spot with Mailloux

[theograce]

Seriously dude I clearly said I was not comparing them at all. I have no words to help if you think AP came out as a stud right out of the gate. The hearts in your eyes are clouding your memory, or you did not watch him then

Of course you are comparing them. That’s exactly what you did.

It’s funny. Pietrangelo never looked like this defensively…ever. He was better defensively at 16 than mails is now lol

[tubastarr]

I’m wondering if Mailleaux, Dvorsky and even possibly Snuggy would be better served being in Springfield rather than on this mess of a team surrounded by so many uninspired, underachieving, overpaid players.

[dhsux]

Seriously dude I clearly said I was not comparing them at all. I have no words to help if you think AP came out as a stud right out of the gate. The hearts in your eyes are clouding your memory, or you did not watch him then

Serious is not a good word or description of conversation with the agenda guy. He literally has to twist words to suit his responses.

I remember Petro in 2009/10 ..... you are 100% accurate.

Every time people try with this clown it comes back the same way, so don't fret.

[theograce]

Seriously dude I clearly said I was not comparing them at all. I have no words to help if you think AP came out as a stud right out of the gate. The hearts in your eyes are clouding your memory, or you did not watch him then

Serious is not a good word or description of conversation with the agenda guy. He literally has to twist words to suit his responses.

I remember Petro in 2009/10 ..... you are 100% accurate.

Every time people try with this clown it comes back the same way, so don't fret.

I remember Nail Yakupov making lots of mistakes early on too

You’re useless

Laughing

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Seriously dude I clearly said I was not comparing them at all. I have no words to help if you think AP came out as a stud right out of the gate. The hearts in your eyes are clouding your memory, or you did not watch him then

I remember Petro in 2009/10 ..... you are 100% accurate.

Why does 22 year old Mailloux get "200 games to get acclimated to defense in the NHL"?

But 19-20 year old Pietrangelo only get 17 games?

You guys are nitpicking.

[gpe13579]

I see what the Blues hope 23 can be. He is about the only dman we have that physically removes people from in front of the net. Unfortunately, he usually then turns it over in his own zone.

I saw a couple of whacks after the play last night showing potential grit....which is sorely missed on this team.

I've also seen him just up in the play a few times showing some offensive awareness.

All that being said, right now is in an absolute mess and anybody saying pairing him with 75 is a bad idea...I completely agree with that.

There is hope but that is all it is right now.

[Frank Barone]

I see what the Blues hope 23 can be. He is about the only dman we have that physically removes people from in front of the net. Unfortunately, he usually then turns it over in his own zone.

I saw a couple of whacks after the play last night showing potential grit....which is sorely missed on this team.

I've also seen him just up in the play a few times showing some offensive awareness.

All that being said, right now is in an absolute mess and anybody saying pairing him with 75 is a bad idea...I completely agree with that.

There is hope but that is all it is right now.

You make a lot of good points, but I see more than hope. I see potential.

Breaking in on defense in the NHL is very hard. It's like breaking in at cornerback in the NFL or shortstop in MLB. Case in point, Ozzie Smith made 25 errors his rookie season and he's the best to ever play the position.

Don't get me wrong, Mailloux still has to do it. It's up to him.

[LGB73]

I don't think it's much of a decision. I saw it posted several times that he's an AHL all-star with nothing left to prove at that level. We traded for him and now he needs to play to develop. Keep running him out there and coach him up. Wish we had a solid vet like Suter to pair him with but the fact is the team needs CP,Broberg, Fowler and Faulk to man the top 4 spots. Also need to play the 3rd pair to 15ish minutes a game to avoid burning out the top 4 so he should get plenty of development time.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I don't think it's much of a decision. I saw it posted several times that he's an AHL all-star with nothing left to prove at that level. We traded for him and now he needs to play to develop. Keep running him out there and coach him up. Wish we had a solid vet like Suter to pair him with but the fact is the team needs CP,Broberg, Fowler and Faulk to man the top 4 spots. Also need to play the 3rd pair to 15ish minutes a game to avoid burning out the top 4 so he should get plenty of development time.

He's on pace to be -100 in a full season (probably about -80 this season)....you want that?

[The Average Gatsby]

I don't think it's much of a decision. I saw it posted several times that he's an AHL all-star with nothing left to prove at that level. We traded for him and now he needs to play to develop. Keep running him out there and coach him up. Wish we had a solid vet like Suter to pair him with but the fact is the team needs CP,Broberg, Fowler and Faulk to man the top 4 spots. Also need to play the 3rd pair to 15ish minutes a game to avoid burning out the top 4 so he should get plenty of development time.

He's on pace to be -100 in a full season (probably about -80 this season)....you want that?

He needs to go to the ahl. He’s getting smoked out there. Whether you think you he sucks or he has potential it’s not doing him any good to be in the nhl right now. He needs some time in the minors to figure things out and get some confidence and that’s the most generous way to read this situation.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Skinner deserves a 10 game trial, send Mailloux down for awhile.

[The Average Gatsby]

Skinner deserves a 10 game trial, send Mailloux down for awhile.

I was thinking that earlier today. I haven’t watched Springfield at all this season but he looked better than Kessel in the preseason.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Skinner deserves a 10 game trial, send Mailloux down for awhile.

I was thinking that earlier today. I haven’t watched Springfield at all this season but he looked better than Kessel in the preseason.

He's been waiting patiently, he should get rewarded.

[stlblue06]

I don't think it's much of a decision. I saw it posted several times that he's an AHL all-star with nothing left to prove at that level. We traded for him and now he needs to play to develop. Keep running him out there and coach him up. Wish we had a solid vet like Suter to pair him with but the fact is the team needs CP,Broberg, Fowler and Faulk to man the top 4 spots. Also need to play the 3rd pair to 15ish minutes a game to avoid burning out the top 4 so he should get plenty of development time.

He's on pace to be -100 in a full season (probably about -80 this season)....you want that?

He needs to go to the ahl. He’s getting smoked out there. Whether you think you he sucks or he has potential it’s not doing him any good to be in the nhl right now. He needs some time in the minors to figure things out and get some confidence and that’s the most generous way to read this situation.

Just because he’s proven himself in the AHL doesn’t mean going there won’t help him reset from this brutal start. I’m thinking 10 games sounds about right. At that point hopefully the goaltending stabilizes, which means the Blues as a team/coaching staff will be able to develop LM better.

[dhsux]

Maybe I am being unclear
at 17 games in AP did not look like the world beater defenseman that he became. I watched his first full year and he did get better but plenty of people already were calling him a bust and I preached patience. I am in no way comparing LM's ceiling to AP, just saying it is way to early to judge. In November of 2010, not too many people were predicting that AP would be the Blues absolute best player in the franchises' biggest game ever

It's funny I do think right now Mailloux is at 17 nhl games and Petro was a -9 after taking same 2 seasons booking....17 games. I don't care how old they were either.

I'm not comparing them but it's like when told what it takes for some to come around to the game on D every one shakes their head yes then when it comes down to the rubber hitting the road......whoooa....it's all out the window around here. The Blues losing streak and current pitiful play has fans with zero patience and plenty of fodder.

He does not look good to me at this mark. He is not even bringing much of any part of what he was good at in the AHL. But the Blues made the trade and they need to stick with it and stick with him up here. This would be a huge mistake to throw this kid to the side at this time. And I doubt the adults will do that.

And I totally agree Tucker is just a horrible partner for JM to get traction. This is actually a disservice to both of them.

I agree. Except, since Mailloux just isn't NHL ready right now, I believe he needs to be sent down to regain his footing.

Isn't this the whole tank vs. compete argument? JM is still a prospect. If we don't mind not being competitive then call up all our top prospects, cut the dead weight, and let the prospects develop in the NHL, but I thought that ship wouldn't float in St. Louis?

The trade was made, it was talked up, but the reality is that he is just not ready. Send JM down down and let him develop / redevelop in the AHL.

You make a good argument.

I will subscribe to it too but I'd give him more time before doing it.

[Younghopp1991]

Skinner deserves a 10 game trial, send Mailloux down for awhile.

I was thinking that earlier today. I haven’t watched Springfield at all this season but he looked better than Kessel in the preseason.

He's been waiting patiently, he should get rewarded.

If faulk keeps playing as decent as he has been, and the team keeps playing as poorly as they are, we may have a second right handed D spot opening up. Skinner will get some games 1 way or another prolly