OT-Verlander, Scherzer & Kershaw--As their careers wind down, where do you place this trio in all time ranks?

[Bully4you]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

Also, where would you rank each individually all time.

[CCard]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

[Bully4you]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

[Bully4you]

I can't believe Detroit had both Verlander and Scherzer and let them go.
Can you imagine how many WS they potentially could have.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

I could be wrong, but you may under value Seaver. He was bad.

[Bully4you]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

I could be wrong, but you may under value Seaver. He was bad.

You could be correct.
That trio was unreal.
Yeah, that's a tough call.
I think the current generation lags behind the others.

[CCard]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

[Bully4you]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

[CCard]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

Yeah, maybe. I was surprised that Yamamoto threw that hard. I think I saw him touch 97. I agree that he's probably down the road enough to not have the stats in MLB. There are so many great pitchers in history.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

Seaver pitched against Willie Mays. 24 AB 5 hits, I walk 9 K’s. And they were teammates.

[Bully4you]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

Seaver pitched against Willie Mays. 24 AB 5 hits, I walk 9 K’s. And they were teammates.

I just looked at his stats.
Seaver was a beast.
Yeah, that would be a tremendous trio.

[Bully4you]

This may be the last trio to go out with such dominating stats.
Never say never, but the way pitching is used I think it could be.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

Seaver pitched against Willie Mays. 24 AB 5 hits, I walk 9 K’s. And they were teammates.

I just looked at his stats.
Seaver was a beast.
Yeah, that would be a tremendous trio.

He had a couple nicknames- Terrible Tom and Tom Terrific.

[An Old Friend]

I can't believe Detroit had both Verlander and Scherzer and let them go.
Can you imagine how many WS they potentially could have.

They didn't win when they had them both along with Prince Fielder and Miguel Cabrera in their primes. Pretty crazy!

[Bully4you]

I can't believe Detroit had both Verlander and Scherzer and let them go.
Can you imagine how many WS they potentially could have.

They didn't win when they had them both along with Prince Fielder and Miguel Cabrera in their primes. Pretty crazy!

I know.
It's insane to have that much talent and not win.
I still think if they kept those two, Detroit would have a WS in last 10 years.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Just curious where you all would rank this trio compared to say:

80's and 90's guys--Clemens, Johnson, Maddux
60's and 70's guys--Gibson, Koufax, Marichal
70*s and 80's --Seaver, Carlton, Ryan

1. Scherzer
2.Verlander
3.Kershaw

In that order. For domination I'd give the edge to Gibson, Koufax and Marichal. Clemens takes a hit for supposed steroid cheating. Seaver, Carlton and Ryan are 1b though. I haven't looked up stats and all so maybe I'm off base.

I don't think steriods should factor.
I take Clemens, Johnson and Maddux.
I think Johnson may be best all time.

Better than Carlton as for lefties? If we're talking domination you have to look at Gibson's stats. They are unreal. Really though, when you talk about these guys it's like splitting hairs. We may never see their like again. Yamamoto looks to be of that ilk but he spent a lot of time not in the mlb.

I agree, it's a tough call.
Bulldog even mentioned how great Seaver was.
Hard to say.
This current group doesn't match up though in my opinion.
Yamamoto will not last long enough--I don't think so anyway.

Seaver pitched against Willie Mays. 24 AB 5 hits, I walk 9 K’s. And they were teammates.

I just looked at his stats.
Seaver was a beast.
Yeah, that would be a tremendous trio.

My research shows Seaver and Gibby got together 11 times, 6 wins for Seaver, 3 for Gibby with two ND, and he beat Gibby five straight decisions.