Trade Gorman or not

[sikeston bulldog2]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

Thinking Saggese is a starter is an example of how far we have fallen.

Dawg: that thought pattern belongs to Shady. That’s not an example of how far we’ve fallen, that’s an example of what a maroon that dude is. Don’t tar the rest of us with the brush that is reserved exclusively for that stinky fella.

Sorry sir- no foul intent. You are of course right. We is too inclusive. Stand me corrected.

[ecleme22]

No one will take Nolan A so we are stuck with him and his salary. Nolan G, Walker and Noot need to go as they will never above 240? There is a lot of work to be done if we get back to the top. Will they spend any money? If they don't how can they expect the fans to pay out good money?

I can see them trading NA for another suspect contract.

Maybe they trade Arenado and Noot to Tex for Pederson and a AAA arm.

[Hazelwood72]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

Hi Matt,
I’m visualizing Gorman at 3B looking like Roger Dorn
(played by Corbin Bernsen) in the movie Major Leagues. Where Dorn botches most balls hit his way, of course.

[Cusecards]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

yes - Hurdy Gurdy needs to go!

He's Bloom's best chip.

There were even some local reports the Dodgers called about him mid season, Yankees too.

Sooooo glad Mo didn't make the trade and kept him for Bloom to deal.

He's got a strong trade market and is about to make some real money that goes against BDWJr's desire to slash payroll.

My bet is he goes.

You can't believe contending teams inquired about Gorman. What would he do for LA ? Batboy? Gorman has no value to team trying to win. He is a five tool dud. He is not good at any baseball related skill. We can only hope he goes.

+1 he’s a one tool player who doesn’t hit well enough to make that one tool useful

+2
When he is hitting effectively he drives pitches away to the opposite field.
He has the raw power to do so.
Unfortunately he always reverts to his bad habits and lack of plate discipline which results in flailing and becoming pull happy.
This is accompanied by the perpetual “deer in the headlights” look while walking back to the dugout.
I think the majority of CT could point this out during daily film study.
Conclusion?
I don’t think he’s very bright?

You pose an interesting question. Being an avid bowler back in the day, I remember a pro bowler once saying 150 avg. in bowling was 50% physical and maybe 50% mental. However, a pro bowler with 200+ average was 80% mental and 20% physical.
Thr very high avg. bowler has to adjust to the lane conditions oily ? Dry? Break point of ball to pocket etc.
Jack Nicklaus was great due to top mental game. Same with Tiger Woods.. strategy , reading greens for putting.
Sure helps in baseball too. You don’t need to be a Rhodes scholar but the term used is heady’. Adjusting at the plate you do with your head not your body. Facing the best pitchers in thr world is not easy. You can be very good in minors on good physical skills alone but at best level majors, you better be good above the neck too.

Whether it’s Gorman, Walker all these guys were tremendous at baseball as a kid . their pure athletic ability made them dominating. The higher they go in baseball the more difficult it gets.

Big league coaches analyze your strengths and weaknesses. Big league pitchers exploit your weaknesses . You have to adjust. Gorman has not thus far. Will he ever ?

Will he ever? Great question.
I can only offer an opinion based merely on watching from a distance without any inside knowledge of the player and coaches.
Is Gorman not being coached properly?
Or is he not responding to proper coaching?
Of course it could be a combination of both.
Personally.....I think Gorman lacks the baseball IQ and mental discipline to succeed long term.
Can he find it? Who knows?

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

Hi Matt,
I’m visualizing Gorman at 3B looking like Roger Dorn
(played by Corbin Bernsen) in the movie Major Leagues. Where Dorn botches most balls hit his way, of course.

If he even gets to them..

I could see many bunt singles with him at 3b and the back issues

[Hazelwood72]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

Hi Matt,
I’m visualizing Gorman at 3B looking like Roger Dorn
(played by Corbin Bernsen) in the movie Major Leagues. Where Dorn botches most balls hit his way, of course.

If he even gets to them..

I could see many bunt singles with him at 3b and the back issues

Yup. You’re spot on.

[mattmitchl44]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

Hi Matt,
I’m visualizing Gorman at 3B looking like Roger Dorn
(played by Corbin Bernsen) in the movie Major Leagues. Where Dorn botches most balls hit his way, of course.

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

Hi Matt,
I’m visualizing Gorman at 3B looking like Roger Dorn
(played by Corbin Bernsen) in the movie Major Leagues. Where Dorn botches most balls hit his way, of course.

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

I'm telling him to focus all his energy on hitting. Try like all hell to be a Schwarber

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

+1 matt

Like it or not if (when) NADO is traded, then Norman is going to be first up at 3rd base.

The only other option would be Donny if he's not dealt w/Norman at DH (JJW better be inked in at 2nd base).

But then you have to be willing to play I. Hererra in LF or (gulp) behind the plate!

And Bumbles in the OF.

But I think not only NADO but Donny as well will be dealt and Norman is going to be the OD 3rd baseman.

For how long?

Who knows?

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

+1 matt

Like it or not if (when) NADO is traded, then Norman is going to be first up at 3rd base.

The only other option would be Donny if he's not dealt w/Norman at DH (JJW better be inked in at 2nd base).

But then you have to be willing to play I. Hererra in LF or (gulp) behind the plate!

And Bumbles in the OF.

But I think not only NADO but Donny as well will be dealt and Norman is going to be the OD 3rd baseman.

For how long?

Who knows?

How bout those Blues!

[BrummerStealsHome]

Back in my poker playing days, there was aa popular game called Pass the Trash (not with me so much, I tolerated it like many other games the dealer called). There is a tradition among MLB front offices I like to call Pass the Trash, where trades are made involving players who have disappointed in their present organizations but might benefit from a change of scenery, coaching staff, etc. In other words, they are still young, still have talent, but talent that is no longer "bankable." Gorman is one of those players. Trade him to someone else, and expect little in return. Might get lucky.

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

+1 matt

Like it or not if (when) NADO is traded, then Norman is going to be first up at 3rd base.

The only other option would be Donny if he's not dealt w/Norman at DH (JJW better be inked in at 2nd base).

But then you have to be willing to play I. Hererra in LF or (gulp) behind the plate!

And Bumbles in the OF.

But I think not only NADO but Donny as well will be dealt and Norman is going to be the OD 3rd baseman.

For how long?

Who knows?

How bout those Blues!

Ugly looking now scouty and your Pens beat the c r a p out of em'.

They seem lost right now but I have faith Monty will get them straightened out.

[zbasspro]

I disagree with the premise walker has more upside. While neither one are very good in the field, at least Gorman is passable. I don't think walker comes close to the easy power potential Gorman has shown.

[Talkin' Baseball]

I disagree with the premise walker has more upside. While neither one are very good in the field, at least Gorman is passable. I don't think walker comes close to the easy power potential Gorman has shown.

Walker is definitely more athletic and also doesn't have chronic back issues. Both of those things bode better for a long term career. If he doesn't learn to hit, it won't matter how athletic he is.

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't even begin to try to sugarcoat it - he was bad at 3B in his 400+ innings there last year. The advanced statistics and eye test say the same.

But, if he's going to have a chance to be a contributor, I take him aside right now and tell him to put his other gloves away and just spend this offseason working at 3B to try to get his defense there up to average. Maybe if he can settle in at one spot and focus on that he can improve somewhat before ST.

+1 matt

Like it or not if (when) NADO is traded, then Norman is going to be first up at 3rd base.

The only other option would be Donny if he's not dealt w/Norman at DH (JJW better be inked in at 2nd base).

But then you have to be willing to play I. Hererra in LF or (gulp) behind the plate!

And Bumbles in the OF.

But I think not only NADO but Donny as well will be dealt and Norman is going to be the OD 3rd baseman.

For how long?

Who knows?

How bout those Blues!

Ugly looking now scouty and your Pens beat the c r a p out of em'.

They seem lost right now but I have faith Monty will get them straightened out.

Pens are playing out of their minds. It will all come crashing down so we can get the #1 draft pick to replace Crosby and add to the lineage of superstars every 20 years!

[Pura Vida]

Trading Gorman, Walker and Noot makes sense. Trading your only all-star in Donovan?? You had better receive a sure thing or what is the friggin point!!