Looking for a match for Donovan

[scoutyjones2]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

He's not a FA till 2028.

He doesn't need an extension.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

He's not a FA till 2028.

He doesn't need an extension.

If he doesn't extend trade him.

[scoutyjones2]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

He's not a FA till 2028.

He doesn't need an extension.

If he doesn't extend trade him.

Shop all of it. Nothing worth keeping

[Melville]

The best match for Donovan is LF in STL.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar and Walker.
The team can compete for a W/C next year with 3 simple roster adjustments.
While still building toward 90+ wins beginning in 2027.
I could get it done in 30 days or less.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sure, they could try to win. Go out and sign, Framber Valdez, Dylan Cease, Cody Bellinger and 2 relief pitchers.

Donovan LF
Herrera DH
Bellinger CF
Contreras 1B
Burleson RF
Arenado 3B
Winn SS
Wetherholdt 2B
Pages 2B

Valdez
Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy

Bench Gorman, Pojo, Scott and Fermin

If Dewitt allows payroll to increase to $225M, that should be doable. That should be a playoff contender. All I need is the money...

Nope.
3 roster fixes without increasing payroll would put the team in a position to win 85/86 games in 2026 and compete for a W/C.
And it would create a pathway to winning 90+ in following years while providing the environment to invest further in the roster.
Very, very easily done.
All that is required is the will and the skill.
Super Slo Mo had neither.
Hopefully we will see those missing elements bloom under new leadership.

[rockondlouie]

I'd keep an eye on the Yankees, M's, Giants, Dodgers, Stros' and Phillies.

Donny's market is almost all of MLB outside the NLC and the non contenders.

Big pool for C. Bloom to jump into and his best trade chip.

[ecleme22]

I'd keep an eye on the Yankees, M's, Giants, Dodgers, Stros' and Phillies.

Donny's market is almost all of MLB outside the NLC and the non contenders.

Big pool for C. Bloom to jump into and his best trade chip.

Okay, so contending teams will be interested in BD? Profound.

Also, last March:
Me: they should listen to offers on BD.
Rock: no way! BD is the team leader!

[scoutyjones2]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

He's not a FA till 2028.

He doesn't need an extension.

If he doesn't extend trade him.

No extension. Not needed.

[scoutyjones2]

The best match for Donovan is LF in STL.
Trade Lars The Human Sushi-baar and Walker.
The team can compete for a W/C next year with 3 simple roster adjustments.
While still building toward 90+ wins beginning in 2027.
I could get it done in 30 days or less.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sure, they could try to win. Go out and sign, Framber Valdez, Dylan Cease, Cody Bellinger and 2 relief pitchers.

Donovan LF
Herrera DH
Bellinger CF
Contreras 1B
Burleson RF
Arenado 3B
Winn SS
Wetherholdt 2B
Pages 2B

Valdez
Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy

Bench Gorman, Pojo, Scott and Fermin

If Dewitt allows payroll to increase to $225M, that should be doable. That should be a playoff contender. All I need is the money...

Nope.
3 roster fixes without increasing payroll would put the team in a position to win 85/86 games in 2026 and compete for a W/C.
And it would create a pathway to winning 90+ in following years while providing the environment to invest further in the roster.
Very, very easily done.
All that is required is the will and the skill.
Super Slo Mo had neither.
Hopefully we will see those missing elements bloom under new leadership.

More Smellville (bleep).

Notice no names claimed, just banality

[Melville]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

[Talkin' Baseball]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

Nootbaar, Walker, Hence, and King, for various reasons, don't move the needle on any deal even as supplemental pieces. Some of your other targets are sketchy.

[Melville]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

Nootbaar, Walker, Hence, and King, for various reasons, don't move the needle on any deal even as supplemental pieces. Some of your other targets are sketchy.

Bernal and Mathews have significant value
The others have varying degrees.
But STL is extremely well positioned to put together a couple if very attractive packages from that group.
Further, as I have indicated in prior posts, there are scenarios in which Burleson and Herrera might make sense as trade pieces.

[ramfandan]

I understand how most fans approach traded by detailing certain players they personally would trade. In reality, Bloom may be trading a player or two that he initally was not planning to trade.
As Bloom has already indicated, he is willing to listen to all offers. A team may approach him on a player that Bloom didn't have on his own list as likely trade bait. The interested team may offer a player or players that are enticing to Bloom . So he makes the deal .

All trades aren't ones the Cardinals will necessarily initiate. That's why I think we will see a deal or two this winter where CT posters say
Wow ! I didn't think Bloom was looking to trade Player X . That sure surprised me . The answer is He probably was just as surprised as the poster that Player X was coveted that much by Team Z but Bloom listened and liked the return the team was offering. So he grabbed it .

[Talkin' Baseball]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

Nootbaar, Walker, Hence, and King, for various reasons, don't move the needle on any deal even as supplemental pieces. Some of your other targets are sketchy.

Bernal and Mathews have significant value
The others have varying degrees.
But STL is extremely well positioned to put together a couple if very attractive packages from that group.
Further, as I have indicated in prior posts, there are scenarios in which Burleson and Herrera might make sense as trade pieces.

Agree with you that Bernal and Mathews have significant value. Agree that STL is well positioned and should package players. I'm just interested in packaging different players than you are.

[2ninr]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

Nootbaar, Walker, Hence, and King, for various reasons, don't move the needle on any deal even as supplemental pieces. Some of your other targets are sketchy.

Bernal and Mathews have significant value
The others have varying degrees.
But STL is extremely well positioned to put together a couple if very attractive packages from that group.
Further, as I have indicated in prior posts, there are scenarios in which Burleson and Herrera might make sense as trade pieces.

Agree with you that Bernal and Mathews have significant value. Agree that STL is well positioned and should package players. I'm just interested in packaging different players than you are.

This roster is unbalanced and stale. Winn is really the only player-and Wetherholt-that I see as being out of play.

[Melville]

Seattle:
George Kirby would probably be the target, with the fall back being Bryce Miller. Doesn't feel like they would be parting ways with Woo, Castillo or Gilbert. Tough to compete if you blow up the top end of your rotation.

Yankees:
Will Warren or Cam Schlittler would be the likely targets here. The Yankees are always in play for FA pitching to bolster their rotation. Donovan would be a 20+ HR guy playing at Yankee Stadium in that lineup.

If the Cards are going to trade Donovan to either the Dodgers or the Mariners, who are both in win now mode, the Cards should try to get 2 of their top 10 prospects. In the case of the Mariners, one of Kade Anderson or Ryan Sloan, their #2 and #5 prospect both pitchers probably not ready until 2027 or 2028 plus their top OF prospect Montes. These are all high ceiling players that could also miss. But, if the Cards are going to trade Donovan, lets try to get two high ceiling guys that could change the trajectory of the organization for years to come. Kirby is 27 years old and has two extra years of control. But, I can't see them trading him.

Donovan is 26 Montes 24 and Anderson 29. Sloan is 14. So Anderson is probably too optimistic. But Donovan for Montes and Sloan with the Cards putting perhaps another prospect in the deal seems doable.

Do not trade Donny for prospects. If we ever want to start winning again, we either keep him and extend him or we trade him for someone proven who also has control left at a position we need.

We sent Top 10 prospects for both Goldie and Nolan and the Rockies and DBacks got no production from those guys. You don’t trade an All-Star and top producer for a risky prospect that may turn out to do nothing for you like Gomber at COL. That’s just a waste of someone we did produce in our own system.

I understand that sentiment. But, if they are not going to add around Donovan, then they need to do the very best they can. I am not a big fan of moving Donovan..

I am not certain who we sent to the Rockies were ever potentially that good except Gomber. Certainly the Diamondback got 3 guys back who had potential.

If they keep Donovan, then they should try to win now. If they don't, they have to get back at least 2 of a teams top 5 prospects. Even if the trade values don't match up. If they hold onto him all of 2026 and then trade him at the deadline in 2027, we are not going to get a lot back for him, ala the relief pitchers.

At some point, we will need to trust what Bloom does, or we won't and this will get ugly.

Agree. The only way they should keep Donovan is if they make moves to try to win and not just some hope and prayer moves that were the mo specials like sign Lynn and Gibson and hope and pray you can win but actually moves that will put them in legitimate position to win. If not he needs to be traded and since they are bringing Gorman and walker back to play every day they aren’t serious about winning so trade him

Agreed. Donovan could be the most dependable player on the roster, but the team is not competing for even a WC in 2026 (and probably not 2027). Donovan could actually net the Cardinals some future arms that we need DESPERATELY. I'd trade him to a contender for prospects.
Not sure why folks are saying to trade Noot "instead". I'm OK trading Noot, but he won't net us top-tier prospects.

According to Baseball Trade Values, Nootbaar's trade value is about 15% of what it was a year ago. Donovan's trade value is about 50% of what it was a year ago. If they wait another year it will be half again. One of two things need to happen THIS winter, and not some other time. Donovan either needs to be extended, or traded. The Cardinals should not go into the season with Donovan without an extension. Either way can work for the team. Waiting won't work.

Quality post.
Let's break it down.
One, it confirms what I alone first understood and advised over the past 5 seasons - Mootbaar should have been traded.
I warned Mo would repeat the same idiocy as in the past when he has fallen in love with the wrong man - wait too long.
Of course, that is exactly what happened.
Two, Donovan should not be traded - yet.
There is a good chance STL can win 85-86 games next year - but as the roster is currently constructed, he needs to be slotted into LF where he can also act as insurance for 2b and 3B if needed.
If 2b and 3b and playing out well - as I suspect they will - Donovan can be offered a 3-year extension on team friendly terms.
Or traded in July.
The CORRECT trade pieces this off-season include Lars The Human Sushi-baar, Walker, Bernal, Hence, Mathews, Davis, Saggese, Romero, and King - who can be mixed-n-matched as needed (it goes without saying that N/A must be removed by whatever means are necessary.)

Nootbaar, Walker, Hence, and King, for various reasons, don't move the needle on any deal even as supplemental pieces. Some of your other targets are sketchy.

Bernal and Mathews have significant value
The others have varying degrees.
But STL is extremely well positioned to put together a couple if very attractive packages from that group.
Further, as I have indicated in prior posts, there are scenarios in which Burleson and Herrera might make sense as trade pieces.

Agree with you that Bernal and Mathews have significant value. Agree that STL is well positioned and should package players. I'm just interested in packaging different players than you are.

Reasonable position.
Appreciate the dialogue.

[scoutyjones2]

What is a human sushi bar?

Is it derogatory? Bigotry?