I don’t understand the Panthers decision

[Bubble4427]

Was watching the end of the Florida / Detroit game and Florida was down 2-1. They pulled their goalie (at even strength) with over 3 minutes to play. I don’t get that strategy at all. Maybe with 90 seconds left but 3 minutes?
If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie.
Maybe down 2….but just down 1 goal? Dumb coaching decision IMO.

[skilles]

I'm sure its based on statistics

[DUFF8989]

Sometimes the math maths and says to do it. I’d do it all the time against the Blues based on their inability to defend against the extra man late in the game.

The game evolves and Panthers need to gather some points with Barky and Chucky out.

To your point though it goes against everything we long time fans have known.

[Cajanek-Spielmacher]

anal-ytics is for the under 40 set. It is like Voodoo economics to me!

[Tony Palazzolo]

I wasn't watching the game. If I had to guess it's because of match-ups. The players they wanted on the ice with an extra skater were rested. That way you get two shifts with those players in that situation. It's always a gamble, but you don't pull the goalie with your 4th line out there.

[blues2112]

I wasn't watching the game. If I had to guess it's because of match-ups. The players they wanted on the ice with an extra skater were rested. That way you get two shifts with those players in that situation. It's always a gamble, but you don't pull the goalie with your 4th line out there.

That sounds 100 percent correct.

[lidstrom5]

I would say Maurice knows what he is doing with two straight Cup champions.

[TheJackBurton]

I would say Maurice knows what he is doing with two straight Cup champions.

Well sure, but that doesn't mean he's always going to be right.

1 goal down, with the offense he has 3 minutes is likely too early but it is also only their 4 or 5th game of the season so not a huge gamble either.

[HighStick]

The Panthers were on the ropes. It was an act of desperation. Panthers coach thought one of his big stars would get lucky. Detroit had their number like the Hawks had the Blues.

[STL fan in MN]

They analytics over the years have shown it’s more successful then than later.

[Cahokanut]

I believe teams are told they want Games on national tv to end on time.
I think long games on TV are problematic for all.

[skilles]

Anyone have a stat on how often a team ties the game in the last 3 minutes?

I'm betting it happens overwhelmingly more with goalies pulled.

[Blues Dave]

Was watching the end of the Florida / Detroit game and Florida was down 2-1. They pulled their goalie (at even strength) with over 3 minutes to play. I don’t get that strategy at all. Maybe with 90 seconds left but 3 minutes?
If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie.
Maybe down 2….but just down 1 goal? Dumb coaching decision IMO.

Honestly, there are so many instances of pulling the goalie, it's done pretty often. Unless I'm missing saomething in your question, it's not really that unusual. I'm an old fart, been around since the biginning, so as someone indicated earlier. I might look at this from a different perspective. But as far as the time remaining, it's a coach decision that might be made on experience or the flip of a coin. Your team is only losing by 1 goal. But you're still losing. How much does it really matter if you lose by one more goal. Just my opinion.

[Bubble4427]

Was watching the end of the Florida / Detroit game and Florida was down 2-1. They pulled their goalie (at even strength) with over 3 minutes to play. I don’t get that strategy at all. Maybe with 90 seconds left but 3 minutes?
If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie.
Maybe down 2….but just down 1 goal? Dumb coaching decision IMO.

Honestly, there are so many instances of pulling the goalie, it's done pretty often. Unless I'm missing saomething in your question, it's not really that unusual. I'm an old fart, been around since the biginning, so as someone indicated earlier. I might look at this from a different perspective. But as far as the time remaining, it's a coach decision that might be made on experience or the flip of a coin. Your team is only losing by 1 goal. But you're still losing. How much does it really matter if you lose by one more goal. Just my opinion.

I think the majority of time that a goalie gets pulled for an extra attacker….the result is an empty net goal.
I realize that sometimes it works but the majority of time it doesn’t. So why pull them when there are still 3+ minutes to go when you are only down 1 goal.

I’d pull the goalie with 90 seconds to go (like the old days). If you’re really trying to score and you feel it’s the best way to get a goal…then why not pull the goalie with 6 or 7 minutes to go….

I just thought 3 minutes was way too early. If they were down two ? OK. If they were on the man advantage…fine.
I just disagree with the decision.

[Wattage]

Was watching the end of the Florida / Detroit game and Florida was down 2-1. They pulled their goalie (at even strength) with over 3 minutes to play. I don’t get that strategy at all. Maybe with 90 seconds left but 3 minutes?
If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie.
Maybe down 2….but just down 1 goal? Dumb coaching decision IMO.

how often does a team losing by a goal score in the final 3 minutes without pulling their goalie and the other team can just go into a defensive shell. they lose that game 99 % of the time anyway. but a loss is a loss. it doesnt matter of you lose by 1 or 2 goals or 3 both losses are the same.

"If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie"

this is a dumb quwstion. obviously pulling your goalie increases the odds the opposition is gonna score and you can maintain control of puck over 60 minutes. it definitely does increase floridas odds of scoring but increases detroits idds by way more.

thing is, when you are down to a less tham 2 percent chance of scoring a goal with 3 minutes left in a game, you are willing to risk the chances of the opponent scoring to give yourself a better shot cause its doesnt matter if you lose by 1 or 3 goals. Exact time when you should pull goaliebisnt concrete- but when there is less than 3 minutes left- the time to pull your goalie is when you ha e control of the puck. if you lose puck pussession playing 5 vs 5, you may not get another chance to establish control and pull goalie til less than a minute left- pulling goalie when you have posession is the best chance at having a sustained attack.

and sure- they lost- but they were gonna lose anyway.

[Wattage]

Was watching the end of the Florida / Detroit game and Florida was down 2-1. They pulled their goalie (at even strength) with over 3 minutes to play. I don’t get that strategy at all. Maybe with 90 seconds left but 3 minutes?
If they truly feel their odds are better scoring that way then why not just start the 3rd period with no goalie.
Maybe down 2….but just down 1 goal? Dumb coaching decision IMO.

Honestly, there are so many instances of pulling the goalie, it's done pretty often. Unless I'm missing saomething in your question, it's not really that unusual. I'm an old fart, been around since the biginning, so as someone indicated earlier. I might look at this from a different perspective. But as far as the time remaining, it's a coach decision that might be made on experience or the flip of a coin. Your team is only losing by 1 goal. But you're still losing. How much does it really matter if you lose by one more goal. Just my opinion.

I think the majority of time that a goalie gets pulled for an extra attacker….the result is an empty net goal.
I realize that sometimes it works but the majority of time it doesn’t. So why pull them when there are still 3+ minutes to go when you are only down 1 goal.

I’d pull the goalie with 90 seconds to go (like the old days). If you’re really trying to score and you feel it’s the best way to get a goal…then why not pull the goalie with 6 or 7 minutes to go….

I just thought 3 minutes was way too early. If they were down two ? OK. If they were on the man advantage…fine.
I just disagree with the decision.

"I’d pull the goalie with 90 seconds to go (like the old days"

statistically teams tied the game when trailing in last 4 minutes far less when they always waited til 80-90 or less seconds in the olden days than they do in modern times with pulling goalie earlier

"If you’re really trying to score and you feel it’s the best way to get a goal…then why not pull the goalie with 6 or 7 minutes to go…."

ignorant question.. it is the best way to get a goal but its also gonna heavily increase ypur opponents odds of getting a goal by even more- but at 6-7 minutes theres still plenty of game left for you to get a goal naturally that ypu dont risk giving opposition an easy goal. at less than 3 minutes your opponents can easily kill chunks of clock passing to each other and skating away from trailing team with puck any time they get possession cuz they dont have to try to score which limits how much time the trailing team will get with the puck posession. a fast goal passing team could easily kill the rest of the clock withozt giving up possession since they dont have to try and do anything but not let you score.

yourbodds of tying the game are so low anyway at less than 3 minutes that you are willing to take a risk. usuaoly you will give up an empty net goal- but you were probably gonna lose anyway
losing by 2 doesnt mean anything more than losing by 1. every once in awhile they tie once of those games though that thwy proba ly wouldnt have if they didnt pull goalie.


the key factor is you are underestimating how muchan opposing team can just turtle or pass arpund to kill clock. most offensive chances come off a turnover or counter strike to a teams offense leading to a fast break- but when a team is winning, a well coached team isnt gonna risk letting one of those happen cuz they dont have to try to score.