M. Winn & V. Scott are Gold Glove Finalist

[rockondlouie]

https://www.mlb.com/news/2025-gold-glov ... -finalists

[Basil Shabazz]

Deserved

[WaltsSuccessor]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure, but CF most certainly will go to PCA.

Sidenote: Old man Pham as a finalist in LF!?! That surprised me.

[WaltsSuccessor]

Maybe rbi or someone smarter than me can explain some of the advanced defensive stats to me. Looking at Winn specifically...

1st in Defensive value/runs per FG with 20.1 (second is 17.4 Turner)
1st in Statcast Fielding Run Value per FG with 17 (second is 12 Allen)
1st in OAA per FG with 21 (second is 17 Allen)
7th in Defensive Runs Saved with 2 (first is Betts with 17)

Like how is he first (by a wide margin) in the first three then 7th in DRS???

[rockondlouie]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure

Going to be a battle between Allen & Winn.

N. Allen/+12 DRS
M. Winn/+2 DRS

But

M. Winn/+21 OAA
N. Allen/+17 OAA

M. Winn/3 errors
N. Allen/5 errors

And

The late August SABR Defensive Index

M. Winn/N. Allen tied at #1 with a 6.4 SDI

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure, but CF most certainly will go to PCA.

Sidenote: Old man Pham as a finalist in LF!?! That surprised me.

If love see Pham win it. He isn’t going against a Cardinals so why not.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Adolis led all RF with +16 DRS

Looks like Carson Kelly has a chance at catcher.

[WaltsSuccessor]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure

Going to be a battle between Allen & Winn.

N. Allen/+12 DRS
M. Winn/+2 DRS

But

M. Winn/+21 OAA
N. Allen/+17 OAA

M. Winn/3 errors
N. Allen/5 errors

And

The late August SABR Defensive Index

M. Winn/N. Allen tied at #1 with a 6.4 SDI

Thanks Rock. Actually think Betts has a good chance too as he leads all the Fielding Bible stats like DRS among others. Really curious how a player like Betts can fair so well in DRS and poorly in the others while Winn is the inverse.

[Ozziesfan41]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure, but CF most certainly will go to PCA.

Sidenote: Old man Pham as a finalist in LF!?! That surprised me.

PCA definitely leads all center fielders on going back jumping up crashing into the wall and crumpling to the ground on a homerun that was 30 feet over his glove

[82birds]

no doubt in my mind PCA wins it.

how good are Winn's chances?

[stlbirdlover]

I thought Arenado was very good this year at 3B. I wonder if he played enough games to qualify?

[rockondlouie]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure

Going to be a battle between Allen & Winn.

N. Allen/+12 DRS
M. Winn/+2 DRS

But

M. Winn/+21 OAA
N. Allen/+17 OAA

M. Winn/3 errors
N. Allen/5 errors

And

The late August SABR Defensive Index

M. Winn/N. Allen tied at #1 with a 6.4 SDI

Thanks Rock. Actually think Betts has a good chance too as he leads all the Fielding Bible stats like DRS among others. Really curious how a player like Betts can fair so well in DRS and poorly in the others while Winn is the inverse.

JMO walt but I'd rank Betts a distant 3rd behind those two even though I did see his top DRS position.

[scoutyjones2]

I thought Arenado was very good this year at 3B. I wonder if he played enough games to qualify?

He wasn't good enough to win his last one. Ke Bryan Hayes is the GG for the past years

[rockondlouie]

I thought Arenado was very good this year at 3B. I wonder if he played enough games to qualify?

He wasn't good enough to win his last one. Ke Bryan Hayes is the GG for the past years

NADO in 2025:

+6 DRS (#1 Hayes +19 DRS)

+3 OAA (#1 Hayes +21 OAA)

NADO was still solid w/the glove but Hayes is the runaway GG winner at 3rd base.

[WaltsSuccessor]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure

Going to be a battle between Allen & Winn.

N. Allen/+12 DRS
M. Winn/+2 DRS

But

M. Winn/+21 OAA
N. Allen/+17 OAA

M. Winn/3 errors
N. Allen/5 errors

And

The late August SABR Defensive Index

M. Winn/N. Allen tied at #1 with a 6.4 SDI

Thanks Rock. Actually think Betts has a good chance too as he leads all the Fielding Bible stats like DRS among others. Really curious how a player like Betts can fair so well in DRS and poorly in the others while Winn is the inverse.

JMO walt but I'd rank Betts a distant 3rd behind those two even though I did see his top DRS position.

I would think so too. But his top ranking in DRS and other Fielding Bible stats along with the narrative of GG RF turned SS at 32 years old while playing on the Dodgers gives me pause. Wouldn't be the first time a GG was awarded on narrative over substance (Jeter).

Surprisingly, Betts was a pretty mediocre hitter this year relative to his career. Probably from the weight loss from that extended illness early in the year but perhaps the demands of SS contributed too. If we was his normal silver slugger self, then he'd probably be a slam dunk regardless what the metrics said.

[rockondlouie]

Both very deserving.

Winn should win the award for sure

Going to be a battle between Allen & Winn.

N. Allen/+12 DRS
M. Winn/+2 DRS

But

M. Winn/+21 OAA
N. Allen/+17 OAA

M. Winn/3 errors
N. Allen/5 errors

And

The late August SABR Defensive Index

M. Winn/N. Allen tied at #1 with a 6.4 SDI

Thanks Rock. Actually think Betts has a good chance too as he leads all the Fielding Bible stats like DRS among others. Really curious how a player like Betts can fair so well in DRS and poorly in the others while Winn is the inverse.

JMO walt but I'd rank Betts a distant 3rd behind those two even though I did see his top DRS position.

I would think so too. But his top ranking in DRS and other Fielding Bible stats along with the narrative of GG RF turned SS at 32 years old while playing on the Dodgers gives me pause. Wouldn't be the first time a GG was awarded on narrative over substance (Jeter).

Surprisingly, Betts was a pretty mediocre hitter this year relative to his career. Probably from the weight loss from that extended illness early in the year but perhaps the demands of SS contributed too. If we was his normal silver slugger self, then he'd probably be a slam dunk regardless what the metrics said.

Honestly I was shocked to see Betts' DRS total.

I'd still bet he's a distant 3rd to Winn & Allen.