Double steal

[Kelledr]

If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

[JuanAgosto]

If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Both are idiots.

[cardsrmyteam]

Entire front office is underwhelming for the next 2 weeks. Let's hope Chaim is a change agent.

[CraigPaquette]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

[ramfandan]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

[hugeCardfan]

Oli wanted men on 2d and 3B and that's what he would have gotten if Fermin had his head screwed on right. I can just imagine the look LaRussa would have given Fermin for that bonehead move.

[ilcubuffs]

"If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot."

Since day 1 of his hiring he has set a goal of proving his incompetence. Just another brick in the wall.

Cannot recall Marmot managed team even knowing double steal strategy existed. Decided the last quarter of 2026 to implement such strategy. Only problem his players can barely run the bases. The great "Teacher" is a fraud.

Double steal = Marmot as manager & getting a paycheck to be incompetent.

[CraigPaquette]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

Every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow. What does that have to do with taking offensive chances when your offense sucks (donkey)? How many times has this team scored less than 2 runs in a game? Would it not make sense to do something/anything to generate runs? You have Winn, Scott, Donovan, Nootbar to put in motion with hit and run or straight steal but how many times does that happen. The only guy that somewhat takes advantage of opportunities on the bases is Scott and I bet he is the one making the decisions to steal.

[ramfandan]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

Every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow. What does that have to do with taking offensive chances when your offense sucks (donkey)? How many times has this team scored less than 2 runs in a game? Would it not make sense to do something/anything to generate runs? You have Winn, Scott, Donovan, Nootbar to put in motion with hit and run or straight steal but how many times does that happen. The only guy that somewhat takes advantage of opportunities on the bases is Scott and I bet he is the one making the decisions to steal.

If you say every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow, then it tells me that you are not watching the other teams especially a fast one in our own division.. The Brewers do NOT have 1/3 of their lineup as slow .. no way /no how ... The Cardinals just got finished with the Brewers .. did you watch any of those games ? If so , name the 3 slow Brewers in their starting lineup

[renostl]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

Every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow. What does that have to do with taking offensive chances when your offense sucks (donkey)? How many times has this team scored less than 2 runs in a game? Would it not make sense to do something/anything to generate runs? You have Winn, Scott, Donovan, Nootbar to put in motion with hit and run or straight steal but how many times does that happen. The only guy that somewhat takes advantage of opportunities on the bases is Scott and I bet he is the one making the decisions to steal.

If you say every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow, then it tells me that you are not watching the other teams especially a fast one in our own division.. The Brewers do NOT have 1/3 of their lineup as slow .. no way /no how ... The Cardinals just got finished with the Brewers .. did you watch any of those games ? If so , name the 3 slow Brewers in their starting lineup

Besides, You are being generous saying only 1/3 are slow.
Add Donovan, Gorman, Pages, Pozo, and Herrera all are below the
MLB average of 27 ft/sec

[CraigPaquette]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

Every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow. What does that have to do with taking offensive chances when your offense sucks (donkey)? How many times has this team scored less than 2 runs in a game? Would it not make sense to do something/anything to generate runs? You have Winn, Scott, Donovan, Nootbar to put in motion with hit and run or straight steal but how many times does that happen. The only guy that somewhat takes advantage of opportunities on the bases is Scott and I bet he is the one making the decisions to steal.

If you say every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow, then it tells me that you are not watching the other teams especially a fast one in our own division.. The Brewers do NOT have 1/3 of their lineup as slow .. no way /no how ... The Cardinals just got finished with the Brewers .. did you watch any of those games ? If so , name the 3 slow Brewers in their starting lineup

I'll try to approach this from a different angle since you seem to be fixated with my knowledge of slow/fast runners around the league. Yes, I'd still argue that the average MLB team would say a 1/3 of their runners are below average speed, but of course there are outliers and you probably named the best one in the Brewers, however that has zero to do with my point. The gist of the point I'm trying to make is we have a manager that knows (or should know) the limitations of his offense and does nothing to try to work around it. This isn't the same Cardinals teams of 10-15 years ago with guys that could hit homeruns 1-6 in the order. So what is the answer? To Oli, he'd rather sit back and wait for the team to string together 3 hits to score 1 run, or getting a homerun from his non-homerun hitting personnel. When you're a bad offensive team you have to be creative and aggressive, and Oli is the total opposite of that. Being aggressive on the bases is the only way to keep the defense on their heels and increases the chance of big innings. How many times does Oli have someone bunt or hit and run? I'm sure the excuse will be that no one on the team can bunt or make contact on demand, correct? If that is the case then that should be an indictment on the coaching staff, including Oli. Oli is a terrible in-game manager and if you have watched the games over the last couple of years you should be able to come to that conclusion. Yes, I admit he has been given a very poor roster but he has never helped himself in areas that could be improved just by sound logical thinking.

[Hazelwood72]

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If Oli called that double steal he is an idiot. If he did and that was Fermin’s idea of execution he is an idiot. No baseball player over the age of 12 has ever fallen for that.

Don't worry, Oli doesn't have the words "steal" or "hit-and-run" in his vocabulary. The guy knows nothing about offensive strategy. People talk about his limitations with the roster but fail to acknowledge when runners get on base he makes no attempt to make things happen. Terrible manager but people on here seem to praise him bec the standards have become so low since MO has been in charge.

How many managers would ‘run ‘ with the current Cardinal lineup ?
You have 1/3 of the guys who are slow.. . Contreras, Arenado, Burleson. They clog up the base paths. This is not a team with speed. Take Manager Pat Murphy Brewers he can run as he has fast guys up and down the lineup. I can’t fathom Murphy running the Cardinal trio J mentioned above plus Noot is average speed.

Every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow. What does that have to do with taking offensive chances when your offense sucks (donkey)? How many times has this team scored less than 2 runs in a game? Would it not make sense to do something/anything to generate runs? You have Winn, Scott, Donovan, Nootbar to put in motion with hit and run or straight steal but how many times does that happen. The only guy that somewhat takes advantage of opportunities on the bases is Scott and I bet he is the one making the decisions to steal.

If you say every team in the Majors could say 1/3 of their lineup is slow, then it tells me that you are not watching the other teams especially a fast one in our own division.. The Brewers do NOT have 1/3 of their lineup as slow .. no way /no how ... The Cardinals just got finished with the Brewers .. did you watch any of those games ? If so , name the 3 slow Brewers in their starting lineup

I'll try to approach this from a different angle since you seem to be fixated with my knowledge of slow/fast runners around the league. Yes, I'd still argue that the average MLB team would say a 1/3 of their runners are below average speed, but of course there are outliers and you probably named the best one in the Brewers, however that has zero to do with my point. The gist of the point I'm trying to make is we have a manager that knows (or should know) the limitations of his offense and does nothing to try to work around it. This isn't the same Cardinals teams of 10-15 years ago with guys that could hit homeruns 1-6 in the order. So what is the answer? To Oli, he'd rather sit back and wait for the team to string together 3 hits to score 1 run, or getting a homerun from his non-homerun hitting personnel. When you're a bad offensive team you have to be creative and aggressive, and Oli is the total opposite of that. Being aggressive on the bases is the only way to keep the defense on their heels and increases the chance of big innings. How many times does Oli have someone bunt or hit and run? I'm sure the excuse will be that no one on the team can bunt or make contact on demand, correct? If that is the case then that should be an indictment on the coaching staff, including Oli. Oli is a terrible in-game manager and if you have watched the games over the last couple of years you should be able to come to that conclusion. Yes, I admit he has been given a very poor roster but he has never helped himself in areas that could be improved just by sound logical thinking.

Totally agree, Craig. Oily Marmot does absolutely nothing to maximize the team’s abilities. And I’m getting tired of people saying, “He’s a good teacher.” IMO, he’s a lousy strategist and a lousy teacher.

[swatski]

Oli wants to keep players happy so they wii back him to keep his job. They don’t want to bunt so Oli won’t ask them to.