It will sicken me if......

[Bomber1]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

How is Nootbaar “the best trade piece”?

He has proven himself to be what you, me, and many others have said - way overhyped and nothing special.

And per usual he’s hurt.

You’re not getting much for him.

[Melville]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sincere question:
Please explain??
“As I have been correctly saying for 3 years”
And
“Easy Obvious Correct”

Versus
“Never about ME always about the game”

For the record...I don’t expect a sincere answer!

With the exception of folks who simply lie about something I have posted, I always reply to worthy posts when directly presented with a question.
And I do so in a tone and tenor which is kinder and more gracious than may be deserved.
This post being but one example of that high standard to which I hold myself.
Me being 100% correct for 3+ years that Mootbaar will never be what many hoped and dreamed of is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Me being 100% correct for the past 3 seasons that the best thing for Herrera's career would be to move to away from the catcher spot is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Both of those perfect and accurate assessments are simply the CORRECT BASEBALL ANALYSIS.
I am always and only about the game.
Never about me.
And I am always a bit disappointed when others attempt to make it so.
But, that is your choice.
Not mine.

[Melville]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

How is Nootbaar “the best trade piece”?

He has proven himself to be what you, me, and many others have said - way overhyped and nothing special.

And per usual he’s hurt.

You’re not getting much for him.

He is the best piece because removing him from the equation instantly makes the team better because STL has better choices already on hand.
Whatever return he brings - particularly if packaged - is a bonus.
Had they done as I advised the past 3 years, his value may have been higher and the team would be better off now.
Mo's failure to do as I advised is not something I can fix.

[45s]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

[moose-and-squirrel]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

give him the Edman contract and don't look back

[rockondlouie]

Hererra 100 % not going anywhere (and the offer would have to be a major league player of high quality to land Donny, NO prospects).

Other than that, any player on the roster is fair game.

while I agree that no player is off limits, there's a few that are just as close as it gets. it would take a trade so bad that the opposing GM would get fired. these include Donny, Winn, JJ and Herrera

Agreed (but Hererra is going nowhere).

Didn't mention JJW or Doyle since they're not here and of course untouchable.

[45s]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

give him the Edman contract and don't look back

I’m not familiar with that contract…

Donovan is going to be 30 at the end of his current deal…..

At his age, he’s probably going to get only one shot at a big bucks free agent deal….

Doesn’t mean he won’t end up in Stl…..but giving it a shot is the best business move…

[moose-and-squirrel]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

give him the Edman contract and don't look back

I’m not familiar with that contract…

Donovan is going to be 30 at the end of his current deal…..

At his age, he’s probably going to get only one shot at a big bucks free agent deal….

Doesn’t mean he won’t end up in Stl…..but giving it a shot is the best business move…

5/75 iirc

[Ozziesfan41]

It won’t sicken me if the team is improved.

[45s]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

give him the Edman contract and don't look back

I’m not familiar with that contract…

Donovan is going to be 30 at the end of his current deal…..

At his age, he’s probably going to get only one shot at a big bucks free agent deal….

Doesn’t mean he won’t end up in Stl…..but giving it a shot is the best business move…

5/75 iirc

Thanks

Donovan is younger and better…..he has to be thinking 5/100

Is Dewitt?

[Cusecards]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sincere question:
Please explain??
“As I have been correctly saying for 3 years”
And
“Easy Obvious Correct”

Versus
“Never about ME always about the game”

For the record...I don’t expect a sincere answer!

With the exception of folks who simply lie about something I have posted, I always reply to worthy posts when directly presented with a question.
And I do so in a tone and tenor which is kinder and more gracious than may be deserved.
This post being but one example of that high standard to which I hold myself.
Me being 100% correct for 3+ years that Mootbaar will never be what many hoped and dreamed of is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Me being 100% correct for the past 3 seasons that the best thing for Herrera's career would be to move to away from the catcher spot is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Both of those perfect and accurate assessments are simply the CORRECT BASEBALL ANALYSIS.
I am always and only about the game.
Never about me.
And I am always a bit disappointed when others attempt to make it so.
But, that is your choice.
Not mine.

Blah blah blah blah.
Just what I expected! Talk AROUND the question and don’t honestly answer it.
I’ll make this short without going into a soliloquy from Shakespeare as you do:
Make your point
Stop with the self promoting [nonsense] and we’ll gladly talk baseball with you!
If not....continue to portray yourself as a hypocrite, narcissist, and fraud.

[Melville]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

He is more than 2 years out.
A lot can happen - and he knows that.
His best time to discuss an extension is right now.
Best for the team as well.
Mutually beneficial opportunity.
It would be a grievous mistake to not have the conversation.
Maybe an agreement is reached.
Maybe not.
But it would be idiocy to trade him before making a serious effort to extend.

[Futuregm2]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

Donovan’s OPS has been dropping pretty good. Since June 1st he’s hitting .245 with a .323 OBP and .697 OPS. He’s what he always has been which is a solid player but nobody you build a team around. If the Dodgers or Yankees want to overpay for him then you do it in a heartbeat.

[Melville]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sincere question:
Please explain??
“As I have been correctly saying for 3 years”
And
“Easy Obvious Correct”

Versus
“Never about ME always about the game”

For the record...I don’t expect a sincere answer!

With the exception of folks who simply lie about something I have posted, I always reply to worthy posts when directly presented with a question.
And I do so in a tone and tenor which is kinder and more gracious than may be deserved.
This post being but one example of that high standard to which I hold myself.
Me being 100% correct for 3+ years that Mootbaar will never be what many hoped and dreamed of is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Me being 100% correct for the past 3 seasons that the best thing for Herrera's career would be to move to away from the catcher spot is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Both of those perfect and accurate assessments are simply the CORRECT BASEBALL ANALYSIS.
I am always and only about the game.
Never about me.
And I am always a bit disappointed when others attempt to make it so.
But, that is your choice.
Not mine.

Blah blah blah blah.
Just what I expected! Talk AROUND the question and don’t honestly answer it.
I’ll make this short without going into a soliloquy from Shakespeare as you do:
Make your point
Stop with the self promoting [nonsense] and we’ll gladly talk baseball with you!
If not....continue to portray yourself as a hypocrite, narcissist, and fraud.

Have an excellent day sir.
I genuinely appreciate you making my point so perfectly.
I will continue to only and always discuss this beautiful game with those interested in, and capable of, doing so.
Mootbaar should have been traded long ago (as I alone first understood and advised) and having failed to do so up to this point the Cardinals should rectify their mistake.
Herrera should have been moved to a new position long ago (as I alone first understood and advised) and having failed to do so up to this point the Cardinals appear ready to attempt to rectify their mistake.
Simple as that.
Be well my friend.

[Cusecards]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Sincere question:
Please explain??
“As I have been correctly saying for 3 years”
And
“Easy Obvious Correct”

Versus
“Never about ME always about the game”

For the record...I don’t expect a sincere answer!

With the exception of folks who simply lie about something I have posted, I always reply to worthy posts when directly presented with a question.
And I do so in a tone and tenor which is kinder and more gracious than may be deserved.
This post being but one example of that high standard to which I hold myself.
Me being 100% correct for 3+ years that Mootbaar will never be what many hoped and dreamed of is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Me being 100% correct for the past 3 seasons that the best thing for Herrera's career would be to move to away from the catcher spot is simply a fully accurate analysis of the player and the game.
Both of those perfect and accurate assessments are simply the CORRECT BASEBALL ANALYSIS.
I am always and only about the game.
Never about me.
And I am always a bit disappointed when others attempt to make it so.
But, that is your choice.
Not mine.

Blah blah blah blah.
Just what I expected! Talk AROUND the question and don’t honestly answer it.
I’ll make this short without going into a soliloquy from Shakespeare as you do:
Make your point
Stop with the self promoting [nonsense] and we’ll gladly talk baseball with you!
If not....continue to portray yourself as a hypocrite, narcissist, and fraud.

Have an excellent day sir.
I genuinely appreciate you making my point so perfectly.
I will continue to only and always discuss this beautiful game with those interested in, and capable of, doing so.
Mootbaar should have been traded long ago (as I alone first understood and advised) and having failed to do so up to this point the Cardinals should rectify their mistake.
Herrera should have been moved to a new position long ago (as I alone first understood and advised) and having failed to do so up to this point the Cardinals appear ready to attempt to rectify their mistake.
Simple as that.
Be well my friend.

You be well also!
Just sports talk.
And BTW....you are not my friend.
I don’t befriend people who are narcissists, hypocrites, liars, and frauds!
Having said that I wish you good health!

[45s]

......the Cards trade Donavan, Herrera or Burleson. These guys are cost controlled and are a solid foundation for the future. All 3 have exceptional bat to ball skills and Donavan and Burleson have proven reliable in the field.

As long as he is not behind the plate and can be moved to RF (as I have been correctly saying for 3 years), Herrera is worth keeping.
Donovan and Burleson are the best position players on the team not named Contreras or Winn - neither should be traded (instead, both should be extended).
Mootbaar is obviously the best trade piece - and yes, I have been correctly saying that for 3 years as well.
Could be worth considering a trade of Walker under the right circumstances - but perhaps too soon to be eager to pull the trigger.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

This close to free agency for Donovan, it’s unlikely he would extend…

He is more than 2 years out.
A lot can happen - and he knows that.
His best time to discuss an extension is right now.
Best for the team as well.
Mutually beneficial opportunity.
It would be a grievous mistake to not have the conversation.
Maybe an agreement is reached.
Maybe not.
But it would be idiocy to trade him before making a serious effort to extend.

Certainly the club should pursue it…..if they don’t trade him…..

but this close to free agency, he could be leaving a lot of money on the table..

Then there is the matter of age…….do they offer him 5/6 years? He would be 34, a big contract….can you say Arenado?

But if they offer him three, of course he will pursue a big free agent deal…

These issues are why I advocate for trading him for youth…..all the uncertainty I note above goes away, and they receive players under team control for much longer