Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Wood would be franchise changing. But its tough to make those trades when you don't have enough assets to offer. A better fit might be to find a bat like Wood but older and higher paid for a team that no longer wants to pay the $. Like the Arenado and Goldy trades.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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James Wood is 100% unavailable. Gore is extremely unlikely to move as well. It's frankly amazing they fired Rizzo after that absolute haul he got for Soto. I wouldn't even trade Wood alone for him.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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No, I wouldn't empty the farm for them, or anyone else. The trade that got them to Washington is a perfect example of why. The Padres are holding the last wildcard spot as of now, by .5 games. They have needs on the ML roster and they can't fill them from their farm. They are also going to have trouble filling their needs by trade because the prospects they have are not well regarded. This is what emptying the farm looks like.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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No it would be a horrible move. The team needs a lot more than gore or wood to be good and emptying out the farm for them would just set back the time the cardinals get to relevancy again. JJ and Doyle would be gone in those trades and others
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 09:09 am No it would be a horrible move. The team needs a lot more than gore or wood to be good and emptying out the farm for them would just set back the time the cardinals get to relevancy again. JJ and Doyle would be gone in those trades and others
Wood will fill such a gaping hole I think it would be transformative to the lineup. We will need the farm to produce some pitching asap so no to emptying the farm. But if they could do a sign and extend on Wood, I’d trade any non-pitching assets including JJW. I know he’s a great prospect but Wood compensates at a position of need. We have middle infielders.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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NO. Not in the cards.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
What farm?
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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ShakeyWalton wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:59 pm James Wood is 100% unavailable. Gore is extremely unlikely to move as well. It's frankly amazing they fired Rizzo after that absolute haul he got for Soto. I wouldn't even trade Wood alone for him.
I agree, especially about Rizzo and the Soto trade. He didn’t deserve to be fired. I’m guessing Bloom already has his man for GM but Rizzo will land on his feet somewhere.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 09:21 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
What farm?
Valid question.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 22 Jul 2025 09:17 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 09:09 am No it would be a horrible move. The team needs a lot more than gore or wood to be good and emptying out the farm for them would just set back the time the cardinals get to relevancy again. JJ and Doyle would be gone in those trades and others
Wood will fill such a gaping hole I think it would be transformative to the lineup. We will need the farm to produce some pitching asap so no to emptying the farm. But if they could do a sign and extend on Wood, I’d trade any non-pitching assets including JJW. I know he’s a great prospect but Wood compensates at a position of need. We have middle infielders.
Yea but it would start with JJ and Doyle and the cardinals had roided out McGwire in his prime and he was transformative to the line up but cards didn’t win anything because one guy does not make a good team heck the nationals have wood and gore and aren’t winning anything
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
If we had the Central in hand, and we had a really good farm ....but this isn't 2012-2015. Until then, I'm not emptying the tank for the likes of Wood and/or Abrams
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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craviduce wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:18 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
If we had the Central in hand, and we had a really good farm ....but this isn't 2012-2015. Until then, I'm not emptying the tank for the likes of Wood and/or Abrams
I would give up anyone not named Wetherholt for Wood. But I’m sure that Wetherholt would be required in that deal. Wood would be a game changer for the franchise, he’s a marquee talent and plays a position we desperately need that kind of talent at. And he’s only 22 years old. That being said the Nats aren’t going to trade Wood.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Futuregm2 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:28 am
craviduce wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:18 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
If we had the Central in hand, and we had a really good farm ....but this isn't 2012-2015. Until then, I'm not emptying the tank for the likes of Wood and/or Abrams
I would give up anyone not named Wetherholt for Wood. But I’m sure that Wetherholt would be required in that deal. Wood would be a game changer for the franchise, he’s a marquee talent and plays a position we desperately need that kind of talent at. And he’s only 22 years old. That being said the Nats aren’t going to trade Wood.
You wouldn't deal Wetherholt for Wood??
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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Futuregm2 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:28 am
craviduce wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:18 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
If we had the Central in hand, and we had a really good farm ....but this isn't 2012-2015. Until then, I'm not emptying the tank for the likes of Wood and/or Abrams
I would give up anyone not named Wetherholt for Wood. But I’m sure that Wetherholt would be required in that deal. Wood would be a game changer for the franchise, he’s a marquee talent and plays a position we desperately need that kind of talent at. And he’s only 22 years old. That being said the Nats aren’t going to trade Wood.
I want the kid on my team, but we aren't prepared to support a move like that....he'd be on the Nats Version 2 if we trade for him...probably a worse version. There's no way we could take advantage of him being on the team. The Pirates have Skenes and the Reds have had De La Cruz...they haven't done anything...why? Because they don't possess the other parts to make that work. The Cards just aren't ready, and I don't see a reason to empty a farm that's just getting beyond half way good.
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Re: Would you empty the farm for Gore or Wood?

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craviduce wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:38 am
Futuregm2 wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:28 am
craviduce wrote: 22 Jul 2025 11:18 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 21 Jul 2025 15:17 pm @JonHeyman
Nats have heard from about a half dozen teams on Gore but they’re said willing to listen on anyone and still thought very unlikely to move him, James Wood and CJ Abrams. Teams are so convinced at least Wood is unavailable they aren’t even getting calls on him.

How much would you trade for Mackenzie Gore or possibly James Wood?

I believe all offers have to start with JJ. Not sure who else the Nats would find valuable from us
If we had the Central in hand, and we had a really good farm ....but this isn't 2012-2015. Until then, I'm not emptying the tank for the likes of Wood and/or Abrams
I would give up anyone not named Wetherholt for Wood. But I’m sure that Wetherholt would be required in that deal. Wood would be a game changer for the franchise, he’s a marquee talent and plays a position we desperately need that kind of talent at. And he’s only 22 years old. That being said the Nats aren’t going to trade Wood.
I want the kid on my team, but we aren't prepared to support a move like that....he'd be on the Nats Version 2 if we trade for him...probably a worse version. There's no way we could take advantage of him being on the team. The Pirates have Skenes and the Reds have had De La Cruz...they haven't done anything...why? Because they don't possess the other parts to make that work. The Cards just aren't ready, and I don't see a reason to empty a farm that's just getting beyond half way good.
Pirates and Reds don’t have the potential resources we do. And they have a history of underachieving, while I’d say we have a history of overachieving. There is a culture in STL that, while lost the last half decade or so, is still there that isn’t in Pitt or Cincy.

Also I think a premier talent makes the whole lineup better. If you could get him without giving up Wetherholt, you do it and don’t look back.

We have enough depth at the positions that we might have to give up.

Like if you deal Mathews/Hence, well we just added Doyle. If you deal Bernal or Rodriguez or both well you still have Crooks. If you deal Gorman, Walker, or Baez, well you just added Wood.

The biggest issue with the organization right now is we don’t have a premier talent, no elite or game changing talent.
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