Superstars or even Stars as Successful Managers

[Hazelwood72]

I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.

Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.

Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.

Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.

Connie Mack managed for many, many years. His secret for not getting fired? He owned the Philadelphia Athletics when he was manager!!!

The other piece of Connie Mack trivia is that he was the last MLB manager to wear street clothes while managing. He didn’t wear a uniform. Usually wore suit, tie, and straw hat.

Correct and he wore that in the heat of summer with no air conditioning. More trivia - at Shibe Park in Philadelphia outside the right field wall people would sit on the roof of buildings and watch the game. People affiliated with that seating would stand in ticket lines and offer fans cheaper tickets atop those buildings. In response Connie Mack installed a high wall in right field to block the view.

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I vividly remember that high right field wall at Connie Mack Stadium (originally Shibe Park). It was built like drop siding on a house and the ball would bounce off it in crazy directions, causing a lot of inside-the-park home runs. I recall in our great September Pennant Chase of 1964, Jack Buck saying that the Phillies Johnny Callison was the only player who ever mastered playing caroms off that wall.

[Strummer Jones]

In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Just because there may not have been many doesn't mean you reject Albert or Yadi simply because of that!
There aren't that many players who played like them either. Some people are gifted!

I vote for the first ever co-managers: Yadi/Albert tag team this organization and bring it back to greatness!

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

[Cardinals4Life]

In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Just because there may not have been many doesn't mean you reject Albert or Yadi simply because of that!
There aren't that many players who played like them either. Some people are gifted!

I vote for the first ever co-managers: Yadi/Albert tag team this organization and bring it back to greatness!

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

With all due respect, this organization needs a little fire.

[Strummer Jones]

In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Just because there may not have been many doesn't mean you reject Albert or Yadi simply because of that!
There aren't that many players who played like them either. Some people are gifted!

I vote for the first ever co-managers: Yadi/Albert tag team this organization and bring it back to greatness!

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

With all due respect, this organization needs a little fire.

My point ------------------->
Your head

[sp25]

I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.

Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.

Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.

Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.

Point of clarification, Red was elected to the HOF as a player, not a manager.

As you state, Torre was elected as a manager based on his years with the Yankees.

[DwaininAztec]

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

The Cardinals fired Kenny Boyer, so I guess they would fire anyone.

[Strummer Jones]

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

The Cardinals fired Kenny Boyer, so I guess they would fire anyone.

Apples to oranges. Kenny's a local legend. Molina and Pujols are L-E-G-E-N-D-S. Also a different time, and a different ownership group.

[Sheepdawg]

Yogi Berra, a true superstar, was 484-444 as a manager.

[Cardinals4Life]

In a different thread, Strummer & I just rejected the idea of Yadi or Albert managing the Cards.

There aren’t many cases of stars becoming successful managers over the years.

Can you name any? Or can you name any pretty good players who became successful managers?

I’ll name the few that I can recall:

Stars or Borderline Stars:
Dusty Baker
Joe Torre (although his Yankees were stacked)
Red Schoendienst ( 60’s Cards also stacked)
Davey Johnson
Don Mattingly
Lou Pinella

But I struggle to come up with other former stars or semi-stars who were successful managers beyond those 6. And can’t really recall one successful SUPERstar.

When I think of great long-term managers since the 1960’s, names like Walter Alston, Tommy Lasorda, Sparky Anderson, Dick Tanner, Earl Weaver, Whitey Herzog, Tony LaRussa, etc, all who were journeymen at best or barely even major leaguers.

Anyone else have names of reasonably accomplished players who became successful managers? Btw, I’d even argue Red might not qualify since he didn’t manage the Cards a real long time.

Just because there may not have been many doesn't mean you reject Albert or Yadi simply because of that!
There aren't that many players who played like them either. Some people are gifted!

I vote for the first ever co-managers: Yadi/Albert tag team this organization and bring it back to greatness!

And when it doesn't work...are you prepared to fire the last guy who hit 700 home runs (and local legend) when it doesn't work out? Or do the same for arguably the best defensive catcher and lifelong Cardinal?

Playing with serious fire.

With all due respect, this organization needs a little fire.

My point ------------------->
Your head

Sorry, not following Strum. ?

[renostl]

I don't know of anybody who was HOF both as manager and player but certainly Joe Torre and Red Schoendienst were stars during their playing days and HOF managers.

Torre made 9 all star games. MVP in 1971 getting MVP votes several times. Managed Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.
Schoendienst 10 all star games. Managed Cardinals to 2 world series winning 1.

Baker good manager and legit player but only made 2 all star games.

Connie Mack was certainly the most successful manager but played in 1800's. Final season was 1896. Stats indicate probably not a star as a player. He was a catcher who interfered with the batter intentionally and was responsible for getting catcher's interference rule enacted.

Mack managed a very long time but was under .500

Yogi didn't get a long shot at manager. He tied himself to the wrong city.

[JuanAgosto]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

[renostl]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

Kevin Cash.

It was Rock's idea a couple weeks ago and
I thought it was a very good one.

[JuanAgosto]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

Kevin Cash.

It was Rock's idea a couple weeks ago and
I thought it was a very good one.

Has a history working with Bloom. But has been in Tampa for 11 years. Might be hard to get even if he has interest.

[renostl]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

Kevin Cash.

It was Rock's idea a couple weeks ago and
I thought it was a very good one.

Has a history working with Bloom. But has been in Tampa for 11 years. Might be hard to get even if he has interest.

I think his contract is up after this season.
He's been about a million per year guy for TB.
Cards need a guy who can get the most out of younger players and
would save money by doing so.
It was a good choice by Rock. One where the Cardinals should be able to
outbid the team that has him.

[JuanAgosto]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

Kevin Cash.

It was Rock's idea a couple weeks ago and
I thought it was a very good one.

Has a history working with Bloom. But has been in Tampa for 11 years. Might be hard to get even if he has interest.

I think his contract is up after this season.
He's been about a million per year guy for TB.
Cards need a guy who can get the most out of younger players and
would save money by doing so.
It was a good choice by Rock. One where the Cardinals should be able to
outbid the team that has him.

Well lets hope Bloom is secure enough to hire a seasoned manager instead of a no stature pud.

[renostl]

It will be interesting to see how Bloom handles the coaching staff. If the young players show growth, oli may get to at least finish his contract. But if there is little growth and the season goes into a tailspin, I would imagine Bloom hires his own guy.

If a change is made, will Bloom get to hire his own guy? Or will BDW demand a fan favorite (Pujols, Molina, or Schumaker) hire?

Kevin Cash.

It was Rock's idea a couple weeks ago and
I thought it was a very good one.

Has a history working with Bloom. But has been in Tampa for 11 years. Might be hard to get even if he has interest.

I think his contract is up after this season.
He's been about a million per year guy for TB.
Cards need a guy who can get the most out of younger players and
would save money by doing so.
It was a good choice by Rock. One where the Cardinals should be able to
outbid the team that has him.

Well lets hope Bloom is secure enough to hire a seasoned manager instead of a no stature pud.

True my man.
Bloom is on a 5 yr, he should be able to get his own guy whoever
that is.

Peace out, bed time.