Montreal Writers Weigh In: Mulling the Mailloux Move

[DawgDad]

If LM becomes a TOP4 defenseman, STL WON the trade. If LM does not become a TOP4 defenseman, STL definitely LOST the trade. Bolduc was very valuable prospect trade bait, and if LM does not result in something special, Armstrong traded Bolduc for the wrong guy.

Second, at the outset, the trade was a mismatch.

Yes, both teams traded their "surplus", but look closer.

Montreal traded away the weakest of their prospect RHD, and the guy with personal baggage.

St Louis traded away their strongest of their prospect Wingers, and the guy with known ultra-toughness.

As it stands now, Montreal won the trade. However, if LM becomes TOP4, then STL won the trade.

Your logic is "ill".

First, both GMs got what they wanted or they would not have made the trade.

Second, let's say Mailloux somehow does not crack the top-4. Then it kind of depends on what Bolduc amounts to. You cannot assume they could have traded Bolduc for some other player of greater value. Also, future value is established in the FUTURE, it is only projection at this juncture. One or both of these players could go down lame in training camp.

The "strongest" of the Blues prospect wingers was likely viewed to be Snuggerud. He is still a prospect.

Nobody right now "won" this trade, all evaluations end in projection and speculation. Again, each GM got what they wanted.

Every lemon for a car that has ever been purchased was bought by a man that "got what he wanted". Does that mean that no lemons have ever been purchased?

Your logic is "lemon", man. Very lemon.

The guy doesn't know it's a lemon until he drives it off the lot.

[DawgDad]

Based on a number of posts in this thread I can now emphatically proclaim the Cardinals LOST the Lou Brock trade.

[HighStick]

Would everyone have been happier if they traded Snuggarud instead of Bolduc? Who do you think has the most potential between the 2?

[somni]

Based on a number of posts in this thread I can now emphatically proclaim the Cardinals LOST the Lou Brock trade.

[Aesa]

Based on a number of posts in this thread I can now emphatically proclaim the Cardinals LOST the Lou Brock trade.

Let’s not forget how badly we came out with that Templeton for Ozzie trade too.

[skilles]

But he's not the strongest of the prospects.

I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.

So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.

What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?

The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.

I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.

[TheJackBurton]

But he's not the strongest of the prospects.

I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.

So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.

What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?

The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.

I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.

Then what is the proper value?

You have to work within the same parameters as Army was.

Montreal didn't want picks, they didn't want prospects, they wanted a top 9 scoring winger. Buch and Kyrou had no trades, Snuggerud had all of 9 games and actually performed better in the playoffs, Holloway certainly wasn't on the table, so those are the top 4 winger spots taken and going nowhere.

Next you had Texier, Joseph, Walker, and Toropchenko. Would you trade a 22 year old RHDman who has the profile of Mailloux for any of them? No you wouldn't and neither would Montreal.

That leaves one player left.

What are you proposing Army should have traded instead.

[Harry S Deals]

Bolduc was going to likely be dealt for someone and the Blues liked Mailloux, mentioned they would've drafted him in '21 so they scouted him and knew the player. Apparently Snuggerud is higher on the Blues depth chart than Bolduc so Bolduc became expendable as you can't keep and pay them all. For me the trade will be won or lost on Snuggerud vs Bolduc because that was the decision, the Blues don't have top 6 minutes for Bolduc now.
Mailloux is going to be a good defenseman even if his d zone coverage is weak or shaky the rest of his tool box plays. Now it may take a season or so for Mailloux to gel but even if Mailloux is a 3rd pair guy for a few years the trade worked for the Blues aa

[TBone]

No disrespect to Tbone, but when did Bolduc become grit and sandpaper? No doubt his game improved over the season. Unless being able to take a good punch in the face from Columbus' Olivier counts (preseason under wimpy Bannister). Monty is the one bringing the grit and sandpaper on a team level which is even better. Mailoux should fit right in with that style and we'll love it! Nice to have guys that can rattle teeth besides Tucker. Even Kyrou laid a big hit at the blue-line in the playoffs (spilled my drink!). Thats Monty. I can't wait for the season to start.

My reference to grit and sandpaper is in reference to being chippy; a pest along the lines of DP57. In fact I see a lot of Perron in Bolduc.

I'm glad to hear that Mailloux's got some edge to his game too. The team needs more of it.

[a smell of green grass]

If LM becomes a TOP4 defenseman, STL WON the trade. If LM does not become a TOP4 defenseman, STL definitely LOST the trade. Bolduc was very valuable prospect trade bait, and if LM does not result in something special, Armstrong traded Bolduc for the wrong guy.

Second, at the outset, the trade was a mismatch.

Yes, both teams traded their "surplus", but look closer.

Montreal traded away the weakest of their prospect RHD, and the guy with personal baggage.

St Louis traded away their strongest of their prospect Wingers, and the guy with known ultra-toughness.

As it stands now, Montreal won the trade. However, if LM becomes TOP4, then STL won the trade.

Your logic is "ill".

First, both GMs got what they wanted or they would not have made the trade.

Second, let's say Mailloux somehow does not crack the top-4. Then it kind of depends on what Bolduc amounts to. You cannot assume they could have traded Bolduc for some other player of greater value. Also, future value is established in the FUTURE, it is only projection at this juncture. One or both of these players could go down lame in training camp.

The "strongest" of the Blues prospect wingers was likely viewed to be Snuggerud. He is still a prospect.

Nobody right now "won" this trade, all evaluations end in projection and speculation. Again, each GM got what they wanted.

Every lemon for a car that has ever been purchased was bought by a man that "got what he wanted". Does that mean that no lemons have ever been purchased?

Your logic is "lemon", man. Very lemon.

The guy doesn't know it's a lemon until he drives it off the lot.

So are we paying Army to watch Army drive lemons off the lot? What responsibility does Army have in keeping lemons out of our driveway?

[dhsux]

But he's not the strongest of the prospects.

I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.

So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.

What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?

The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.

I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.

Maybe.

You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?

A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.

[Bluesfan1978]

The reality is Bolduc was behind Neighbours who the Blues feel is the type of player you win a cup with. Kyrou, Snuggy, Holloway, Buch making him 6th in the winger depth chart. I’m guessing the team is projecting Carbonneau and maybe Stenberg to be right in the mix and that doesn’t count any of the other wingers pushing their way into the top 9. Even if Mailloux turns into a solid number 3 RD it’s still good asset management.

[skilles]

The reality is Bolduc was behind Neighbours who the Blues feel is the type of player you win a cup with. Kyrou, Snuggy, Holloway, Buch making him 6th in the winger depth chart. I’m guessing the team is projecting Carbonneau and maybe Stenberg to be right in the mix and that doesn’t count any of the other wingers pushing their way into the top 9. Even if Mailloux turns into a solid number 3 RD it’s still good asset management.

lol no its not

[skilles]

But he's not the strongest of the prospects.

I personally feel Bolduc can reach 40 goals scored in the coming years. He's been a prolific scorer his whole pro stint and showed this capability in the big show as well last year. He showed a lot of grit this past season as well. I liked everything about him.

So for me it is about the bounty at wing from other prospects to help replace him coupled with a top 4 performing role from Mailloux and yes, the Blues can win or at least succeed at achieving a good hockey trade, but more likely winning if those 2 things can happen.

What if Mailloux can bank 50 points and be a (presently missing) driving force on the PP?

The upside factor for the Blues should not be discounted.

I'm definitely not discounting the upside for the Blues could be huge. I simply think we paid more than we had to.

Maybe.

You mind putting up who should have landed Mailloux if not Bolduc?

A lot of Hab fans think they really wanted Kyrou.

I personally think a package of lesser assets, picks, prospects

[onetimedit]

No disrespect to Tbone, but when did Bolduc become grit and sandpaper? No doubt his game improved over the season. Unless being able to take a good punch in the face from Columbus' Olivier counts (preseason under wimpy Bannister). Monty is the one bringing the grit and sandpaper on a team level which is even better. Mailoux should fit right in with that style and we'll love it! Nice to have guys that can rattle teeth besides Tucker. Even Kyrou laid a big hit at the blue-line in the playoffs (spilled my drink!). Thats Monty. I can't wait for the season to start.

My reference to grit and sandpaper is in reference to being chippy; a pest along the lines of DP57. In fact I see a lot of Perron in Bolduc.

I'm glad to hear that Mailloux's got some edge to his game too. The team needs more of it.

I see what you mean. I can about replace Bolduc with Perron in my mind on some of the annoying plays in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have (if they can keep from taking unnecessary penalties - loved Perry btw). I am hopeful though that this is part of Monty's system and he will teach others how to be a good pest!

[DawgDad]

The reality is Bolduc was behind Neighbours who the Blues feel is the type of player you win a cup with. Kyrou, Snuggy, Holloway, Buch making him 6th in the winger depth chart. I’m guessing the team is projecting Carbonneau and maybe Stenberg to be right in the mix and that doesn’t count any of the other wingers pushing their way into the top 9. Even if Mailloux turns into a solid number 3 RD it’s still good asset management.

Can't play them all, there's only one puck. I would say, in fairness, the trade would likely be viewed as overpayment if Mailloux doesn't become a top-4 and Bolduc is a top-6. Would you have traded a young Bolduc for several years of Bortuzzo? Mailloux needs fair time to develop, on paper no reason to believe he won't.