Bloom taking over sooner than some think

[Bob Kunush]

That is true Cranny. Its the players that play the game. But the loses are always on the mansgement? Weird how that works.

[desertrat23]

That is true Cranny. Its the players that play the game. But the loses are always on the mansgement? Weird how that works.

It’s life. The buck stops with the boss.

[Bob Kunush]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

[desertrat23]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

Those people are idiots. He was instrumental in the team’s success and the 2011 title. He deserves a red jacket.

He also deserved to be fired after 2023 or at a minimum 2024.

[thetank2]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

Those people are idiots. He was instrumental in the team’s success and the 2011 title. He deserves a red jacket.

He also deserved to be fired after 2023 or at a minimum 2024.

He has only 1 losing season.

[desertrat23]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

Those people are idiots. He was instrumental in the team’s success and the 2011 title. He deserves a red jacket.

He also deserved to be fired after 2023 or at a minimum 2024.

He has only 1 losing season.

Success in this market is not defined by simply not having a losing season.

[Cranny]

That is true Cranny. Its the players that play the game. But the loses are always on the mansgement? Weird how that works.

I guess the point is, that the POBO can only set a team up to have a fine regular season record, and then it's up to the players to produce in the playoffs. Does the pressure get to them? They've had very good seasons recently, and then don't produce when the playoffs start. Compare the Cardinal teams recently that won 90, 91, and 93 games and then the 2006 and 2011 teams that won 83 and 90 games.

[desertrat23]

That is true Cranny. Its the players that play the game. But the loses are always on the mansgement? Weird how that works.

I guess the point is, that the POBO can only set a team up to have a fine regular season record, and then it's up to the players to produce in the playoffs. Does the pressure get to them? They've had very good seasons recently, and then don't produce when the playoffs start. Compare the Cardinal teams recently that won 90, 91, and 93 games and then the 2006 and 2011 teams that won 83 and 90 games.

That's insane. The front office puts the roster together, claps their hands and says "our work here is done?" NO! If you build a roster that doesn't perform in the playoffs you haven't done your job. You figure out why and make adjustments. The work isn't done at the end of September.

[thetank2]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

Those people are idiots. He was instrumental in the team’s success and the 2011 title. He deserves a red jacket.

He also deserved to be fired after 2023 or at a minimum 2024.

He has only 1 losing season.

Success in this market is not defined by simply not having a losing season.

Oh please!!

[Bob Kunush]

So true Cranny. The 2004 and 2005 teams were some of the best Cardinal teams I ever saw . One got swept in the World Series and the other didnt get there. It happens. The other teams have good players and are trying to win also.

Mozaleak put together decent teams most years between 2014 and 2022 but the teams best hitters never hit in most of those postseason.

[desertrat23]

So Mo has never been successful? Has never had anything yo do with the success?

Nobody is saying he's done a great job lately. My argument is with those who can't give him the credit he is due for an overall good career.

Those people are idiots. He was instrumental in the team’s success and the 2011 title. He deserves a red jacket.

He also deserved to be fired after 2023 or at a minimum 2024.

He has only 1 losing season.

Success in this market is not defined by simply not having a losing season.

Oh please!!

It’s not? You disagree with me? More importantly, you disagree with Bill DeWitt?

“In some places, winning is just a winning record, or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season, go home, get back to their families and so forth. But not in this city, not with this franchise, not with its history, and not with our great fans.”

[Goldfan]

I seriously suspect Bloom is calling the shots now. Mo, because of his long tenured service, was offered an honorary exit. DeWitt is honoring that. Mo is a figurehead. I've worked for many corporations and seen many senior loyal managers put out to pasture in a similar fashion.

There is no way on Gods green earth that a mentally competent owner/executive is going to have a young upcoming POBO under contract and let the old outgoing publicly suspect POBO call the shots that will impact the new guy going forward.
NOW I stated mentally competent Owner. That is TBD here after this chitshow the last couple years.

You mean the same owner who permitted his knucklehead POBO to hire 3 managers in a row who had nary a lick of managing experience and then claimed winning was important to the organization? Oh yeah, there is a way alright.

Yes….see my disclaimer….

Let’s say I’m the General Counsel of a mid-sized company and I want to hire a #2 person. Do I go to the local law school and pick out a recent grad? That’s crazy stuff, yet Moe did it 3 times. The insecure little pric k.

I almost guarantee Mo/BDW thought They were the reason for most of the success under TLR/Dunc/Pujols…..and the arrogant phucks ran off TLR and set on a plan to run everything from POBO box with puppet managers…..been saying this for years.

You are quite insane if you think Mozoliak had nothing to do with the successful years around the 2011 WS Championship. He drafted and traded smart.
He has faltered the past few seasons, to be sure, but two things can be true at once.
Presuming of course you can keep two thoughts in your head simultaneously.
Which based on your posts may not be possible, so there's that.

Read the post REAL slowly Paige…….didn’t mention anything about 2011 WS…..stated that MO/BDW thought they were the secret sauce to the great Cardinals run…..showed TLR the door…..and thought they could run the show from POBO box not needing a real manager….

[Goldfan]

Since the old system from TLR wore off……what success has MO had on his own? Simple question

[Baseball Savant]

When 10 and 5 left, the winning stopped

[JuanAgosto]

Since the old system from TLR wore off……what success has MO had on his own? Simple question

I'd even add the loss of luhnow. 2 division titles and 1 nlcs appearance since 2014.

[JuanAgosto]

Great!

I always felt BDWJr would want C. Bloom making the decisions around the trading deadline since this will be his team going forward.

Made no sense to have Mo, other than in an advisory role, making future roster decisions that would affect the team after 2025.

Smart move handing the reins to Bloom earlier rather than waiting for seasons end.

It doesn’t sound like the trade deadline though, they’re talking August/September. I’m sure that Bloom will still have a major role in the deadline though.

I'd be willing to bet Bloom will have final say over any trading deadline moves w/Mo acting in an advisory role.

It would make absolutely no sense to allow Mo to deal a player or players that Bloom wants to keep or deal a player or players for prospects Bloom doesn't want.

It may not be advertised so as to honor Mo for his long time service but behind the scenes this is how I bet it goes down.

JMO

I was thibking Girsch the gm was heavily involved in those final decisions

Where is poor old Michael?

Talk about a guy being "GM" in name only, wow.

I think Girsch was in charge of buying the gold paint for the "Arenado seat".