How good were the 2004 Cardinals

[rockondlouie]

I would have much rather faced the Yankees than the Red Sox in 2004. Yankees rotation didn't scare me the way Pedro and Schilling did.

Ditto

I was praying we'd play that Yankees' squad and their weak starting pitching (Big names, Bad stats) and poor pen' (Mariano/Flash Gordon aside).

2004 Cardinals would've beaten the Yankees in the WS............again!

[BrummerStealsHome]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

[rockondlouie]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

[3dender]

Best team I've ever seen. I think 2006 was somehow fate's way to make up for the fact that we didn't win the World Series that year.

I still liken it to Return of the King winning the BP Oscar instead of Fellowship of the Ring.

[Ike Hammett]

Definitely one of the better teams to never win the World Series. They make the list.

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-teams-tha ... rld-series

1995 Cleveland Indians got hosed on that list, probably because they only played 144 games that year. That team is probably the best I ever saw to not win it all.

[rbirules]

Definitely one of the better teams to never win the World Series. They make the list.

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-teams-tha ... rld-series

1995 Cleveland Indians got hosed on that list, probably because they only played 144 games that year. That team is probably the best I ever saw to not win it all.

I just pulled up that team's fangraphs page. I completely forgot that Dave Winfield, Brian Giles, and Jeromy Burnitz were on that team in very small roles.

I forgot that Belle became the first player with 50 HRs and 50 doubles in the same season in a shortened season. I was thinking he did it in 1996, not 1995. He almost did it again in 1998, but baseball was following a different HR chase that year.

[Strummer Jones]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

[Futuregm2]

Definitely one of the better teams to never win the World Series. They make the list.

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-teams-tha ... rld-series

1995 Cleveland Indians got hosed on that list, probably because they only played 144 games that year. That team is probably the best I ever saw to not win it all.

The mid to late 90s Indians teams are some of the best talents ever compiled by one team. They were loaded.

[rbirules]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

Yeah, they didn't spend on par with the Yankees, not even close, but they were still a goliath to the other 28 teams in the league. It's not like they were the Oakland A's.

[rockondlouie]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

I thought so, thx for the backup strummer

Toss in steroid freak D. Ortiz and M. Ramirez on that 2004 team as well.

Bunch of cheaters.

[rockondlouie]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

Yeah, they didn't spend on par with the Yankees, not even close, but they were still a goliath to the other 28 teams in the league. It's not like they were the Oakland A's.

Yankees in 2004 outspent every team in MLB by a mile: $184M

But BoSox were #2 at $127M

Cardinals at $83M ranked 8th. Highest paid Redbird? Nope, not Albert but M. Morris!

A's surprisingly in the middle at $59M, the Brewers were last at $27M!

[rbirules]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm
Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

I thought so, thx for the backup strummer

Toss in steroid freak D. Ortiz and M. Ramirez on that 2004 team as well.

Bunch of cheaters.

Was 2004 the year they traded Nomar in season? Or did they do that in 2003?

[Ike Hammett]

Definitely one of the better teams to never win the World Series. They make the list.

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-teams-tha ... rld-series

1995 Cleveland Indians got hosed on that list, probably because they only played 144 games that year. That team is probably the best I ever saw to not win it all.

I just pulled up that team's fangraphs page. I completely forgot that Dave Winfield, Brian Giles, and Jeromy Burnitz were on that team in very small roles.

I forgot that Belle became the first player with 50 HRs and 50 doubles in the same season in a shortened season. I was thinking he did it in 1996, not 1995. He almost did it again in 1998, but baseball was following a different HR chase that year.

Brian Giles is one of the most forgotten players in history. Look at that ops and ops+. That's what we need right now from Walker or Gorman. Don't forget my guy Eddie Murray one of the most forgotten players ever also (for a hall of famer). Couldn't believe the Braves got them that year. Saw them both on the same day that year in 1995 in LA. Indians smoked the Angels in the day game, Braves beat the Dodgers 1-0 that night. Best day ever!

[BrummerStealsHome]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm?

I know MLB, after that little piece of shennagans (sic), took hotel arrangements away from the home team.

I can vaguely recall hearing something about that at the time. Wouldn't surprise me. The reservations wre probably made by the guy in charge of snow ploughs.

[rbirules]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm
Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

I thought so, thx for the backup strummer

Toss in steroid freak D. Ortiz and M. Ramirez on that 2004 team as well.

Bunch of cheaters.

That was also the year they traded Nomar in season, to the Cubs. Getting rid of one of the few players I liked on that team (I liked Pedro as well).

[rockondlouie]

I remember telling my wife that season that I'd never seen anything like it, and to enjoy it because I never will again, a team that just goes out and wins, to the point that if they lose it's a surprise. Night after night. What a machine. If the Red Sox hadn't been on some kind of mssion from God we might have won the WS. I truly think that's the only team that could have beaten us, and we' have beaten them if they hadn't just come off a miracle comeback against the Yanks.

Didn't they also mess with the Cardinals hotel arrangements?

Putting them well outside Boston in a hotel that didn't have food service after 10 pm
Yes, that has been confirmed.

Yet another reason why I cannot stand Boston. All too happy to play up them as the David to the Yankees' Goliath. Ignoring the fact that they speny just as wildly as those Yankee teams did.

I thought so, thx for the backup strummer

Toss in steroid freak D. Ortiz and M. Ramirez on that 2004 team as well.

Bunch of cheaters.

Was 2004 the year they traded Nomar in season? Or did they do that in 2003?

Yep

2004

He was gone to the Cubs