Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑19 May 2025 22:54 pmSo...you're saying teams should stop attempting to improve?
This whole saga has been very strange. You have this thread and then other people arguing that batting order really isn't a big deal. In some cases that's true, but throughout the history of the game there are certain positions where you put certain players. This is not controversial. Nolan has an OPS under .700. Why would anyone want him hitting fourth?
Who would you rather have batting clean up, Albert Pujols or Edgar Renteria? Come on, this isn't difficult. I don't understand why some people are making a big deal out of this. The point has been made already, but Nolan himself pushed to be moved down in the order. Why did he do that?
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑19 May 2025 22:54 pmSo...you're saying teams should stop attempting to improve?
This whole saga has been very strange. You have this thread and then other people arguing that batting order really isn't a big deal. In some cases that's true, but throughout the history of the game there are certain positions where you put certain players. This is not controversial. Nolan has an OPS under .700. Why would anyone want him hitting fourth?
Who would you rather have batting clean up, Albert Pujols or Edgar Renteria? Come on, this isn't difficult. I don't understand why some people are making a big deal out of this. The point has been made already, but Nolan himself pushed to be moved down in the order. Why did he do that?
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
I think the real question is, what is your obsession with Arenado and your inability to deal with the fact he's no longer an MVP-caliber player?
And why are you taking your childlike disdain out on other posters who can simply see the situation for the reality it is?
Nobody pushed harder on sites like this to get Arenado to St. Louis, I believe the team read some of my comments and did what they could to get him here and he chose to come here. I owe a certain loyalty and responsibility to push back against people that bash on them. I think if people go out of their way to do what you like and want you must defend it. I have a real dislike to a lot of the negativity and hate of a lot of these posters. Not just Arenado but they way they all bashed on Matt Carpenter, Dexter Fowler, Mikolas, Kolten Wong, Goldy, Shildt ownership and management etc.
Whiz on these spoiled brats who never shut up about how rough they have it as Cards "fans". I really don't care if Nado gets moved down in the batting order, that's part of the game and the way things work. I have issues with the way these guys get treated by weak anonymous haters and will return some back.
It's a weird take.
Pointing out Nado's dissipating power is not hatred..rather it's observation. An observation apparently shared by Nado himself.
Again...it's a weird take on the situation.
Do you honestly think Nado just came to the conclusion yesterday or today that he was performing offensively as an average league player? You think the manager, coaching staff and front office just noticed it? They don't need people with bad attitudes constantly pointing this out. Pretty sure they can make those observations as well and do. I guess we just have a huge difference of opinion on that and what is weird. They know the situation and have made a decision on how to handle it by trying to have him play through the no peak performance at clean up. To continue to bash on it day in and day out is not an observation, it's more like passive aggressive hate towards a manger, owner and front office disguised as observation.
This is a board to discuss Cardinal baseball, good & bad.
Back in the 80's we'd sit around various Taverns in St. Louis doing the same thing. No internet. Just guys discussing baseball, good and bad, after a long day of dancing around the legal system. Of course, back then we didn't have OPS & WAR. We essentially had BA, HR, and RBI and we received our numbers from the Post Dispatch!
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑20 May 2025 06:35 am
Any thread that uses the word "haters" when talking about a lineup change loses all credibility as far as I'm concerned.
That's the younger generations mentality. If someone disagrees, they're labeled a "hater". I understand, adult conversations can be tough for some.
Exactly! One should be able to observe and make a point without being labeled a hater.
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
How's 11 runs through 7 looking?
How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
How's 11 runs through 7 looking?
How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?
As I said...wins/losses are products of many data points and not just whom hits in the cleanup spot.
Example...yeah...Cards only scored one run today. But did it come from lack of production at cleanup? Well, considering 1-3 in the order were 1-11, it appears largely irrelevant whom is hitting cleanup. The Cards lost two games to the team with the best record in baseball. Nado hitting 4th most definitely would not have helped.
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
How's 11 runs through 7 looking?
How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?
So you think Nado going 0 for 4 in the clean up spot would have helped them win today? lol youre an idiot. And if you think they would have continued to win 13 out of every 15 games if he stayed in the clean up spot then you are a bigger idiot
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Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
How's 11 runs through 7 looking?
How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?
As I said...wins/losses are products of many data points and not just whom hits in the cleanup spot.
Example...yeah...Cards only scored one run today. But did it come from lack of production at cleanup? Well, considering 1-3 in the order were 1-11, it appears largely irrelevant whom is hitting cleanup. The Cards lost two games to the team with the best record in baseball. Nado hitting 4th most definitely would not have helped.
Oh, so it's a great move when things work out like the other night when they score 11 in 7 innings but have excuses when then don't. How do you know it didn't set up a butterfly effect and screw all the great momentum the team was having?
Ike Hammett wrote: ↑19 May 2025 17:49 pm
Are we going to do better than 12- 2 the next few weeks? Outscore our opponents more? Build better team chemistry? What?
How's 11 runs through 7 looking?
How's a series loss at home and just as many losses in less than 24 hours compared to the previous 2+ weeks looking? Not to mention dropping a couple of games more behind the Cubs?
So you think Nado going 0 for 4 in the clean up spot would have helped them win today? lol youre an idiot. And if you think they would have continued to win 13 out of every 15 games if he stayed in the clean up spot then you are a bigger idiot
I don't know anything about how things would have worked out since you haters demanded things get fixed with the lineup. I know you fixed our series winning streak. Are things way better now?
