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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 08:56 am Falling backwards into two generational players had nothing to do with it, huh?
Absolutely NOT!!! I searched BluesTalk, and found 26,634 posts telling me that TOP5 picks in the drafts are non-essential. They lead to a losing culture. They lead to tanking.

NOPE. Here on BluesTalk, the firm belief is that Edmonton is winning DESPITE MCDAVID AND DRAISITL, NOT BECAUSE OF THEM. Just ask the poor, dumb clucks yourself.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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Last year, how many games did Broberg play the first two rounds?

How many goals did Holloway score the first two rounds? In how many games did he play more than 10 minutes?
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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Now it has no integrity and it's lying some more!
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 08:45 am
TheJackBurton wrote: 15 May 2025 08:19 am
smilinjoefission wrote: 15 May 2025 08:02 am Yeah it sucks the Blues basically (upset) away Game 1 and Game 7...Blues just didn't want it bad enough and Army didn't feel the Blues needed to fix problems that were on full display the entire season. Again, Blues were a .500 club with .500 club problems that had a 12 game winning streak, then reverted back to a .500 club with .500 club problems.
Who was the GM supposed to acquire to ensure a team didn't blow a 2 goal lead with under 2 minutes left?
Given that the problem arose in the regular season often enough, I'd say that Army should have drafted someone to fix that problem about 3 years ago, 2021-ish. Can somebody call Perunovich and ask him if that was his job?
The Blues drafted Bolduc in 2021. Not good enough for you, huh?
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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STL fan in MN wrote: 15 May 2025 09:42 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 08:45 am
TheJackBurton wrote: 15 May 2025 08:19 am
smilinjoefission wrote: 15 May 2025 08:02 am Yeah it sucks the Blues basically (upset) away Game 1 and Game 7...Blues just didn't want it bad enough and Army didn't feel the Blues needed to fix problems that were on full display the entire season. Again, Blues were a .500 club with .500 club problems that had a 12 game winning streak, then reverted back to a .500 club with .500 club problems.
Who was the GM supposed to acquire to ensure a team didn't blow a 2 goal lead with under 2 minutes left?
Given that the problem arose in the regular season often enough, I'd say that Army should have drafted someone to fix that problem about 3 years ago, 2021-ish. Can somebody call Perunovich and ask him if that was his job?
The Blues drafted Bolduc in 2021. Not good enough for you, huh?
Please, nothing is good enough. The idea that it takes prospects time to get the NHL and make an impact is beyond him as well.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 07:21 am Wow. Isn't that something? Army is great! It's amazing that we have so much talent, that we can win without those 2 great players on the ice!!!

Oh wait. Nevermind. That's not our team that did that. That's Edmonton.

I give credit to Armstrong for 1 thing. He knows where the steal talent from.

If only the Blues had a GM that was that good at acquiring talent.
Another Retarded take from a complete [decelerate]....The saying is never go full [decelerate] .... you sir have gone FULL [decelerate].
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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STL fan in MN wrote: 15 May 2025 09:42 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 08:45 am
TheJackBurton wrote: 15 May 2025 08:19 am
smilinjoefission wrote: 15 May 2025 08:02 am Yeah it sucks the Blues basically (upset) away Game 1 and Game 7...Blues just didn't want it bad enough and Army didn't feel the Blues needed to fix problems that were on full display the entire season. Again, Blues were a .500 club with .500 club problems that had a 12 game winning streak, then reverted back to a .500 club with .500 club problems.
Who was the GM supposed to acquire to ensure a team didn't blow a 2 goal lead with under 2 minutes left?
Given that the problem arose in the regular season often enough, I'd say that Army should have drafted someone to fix that problem about 3 years ago, 2021-ish. Can somebody call Perunovich and ask him if that was his job?
The Blues drafted Bolduc in 2021. Not good enough for you, huh?
I love Bolduc. There was a question asked about who is needed to fix the 2 goal lead under 2 minutes. The answer could not and should not be a rookie. The answer can only be the stud 4-year veteran that is nails in situations like that. Best case, it would have been somebody Army drafted in 2018, everything that Perunovich is not.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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Folks, this guy is a loser with a one-track, less than mediocre mind.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 10:57 am
STL fan in MN wrote: 15 May 2025 09:42 am
a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 08:45 am
TheJackBurton wrote: 15 May 2025 08:19 am
smilinjoefission wrote: 15 May 2025 08:02 am Yeah it sucks the Blues basically (upset) away Game 1 and Game 7...Blues just didn't want it bad enough and Army didn't feel the Blues needed to fix problems that were on full display the entire season. Again, Blues were a .500 club with .500 club problems that had a 12 game winning streak, then reverted back to a .500 club with .500 club problems.
Who was the GM supposed to acquire to ensure a team didn't blow a 2 goal lead with under 2 minutes left?
Given that the problem arose in the regular season often enough, I'd say that Army should have drafted someone to fix that problem about 3 years ago, 2021-ish. Can somebody call Perunovich and ask him if that was his job?
The Blues drafted Bolduc in 2021. Not good enough for you, huh?
I love Bolduc. There was a question asked about who is needed to fix the 2 goal lead under 2 minutes. The answer could not and should not be a rookie. The answer can only be the stud 4-year veteran that is nails in situations like that. Best case, it would have been somebody Army drafted in 2018, everything that Perunovich is not.
Oh so now we’ve moved it from a 2021 draftee to a 2018 draftee. Got it. But why are you so hung up on Perunovich? He was a 45th overall pick. Most 45th overall picks don’t make it. You act as if the Blues treated him as some sort of savior or something. We also got Hofer in the 4th round and Tucker in the 7th that year. Two massive hits given their draft position. Funny how you don’t mention them…
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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blues2112 wrote: 15 May 2025 09:13 am Last year, how many games did Broberg play the first two rounds?

How many goals did Holloway score the first two rounds? In how many games did he play more than 10 minutes?
First answer: Zero

Second answer: Three (in 12 gams); two were in an 8-1 blowout; six of 12

They had little to no impact on Edmonton advancing to third round.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 09:04 am
Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 08:56 am Falling backwards into two generational players had nothing to do with it, huh?
Absolutely NOT!!! I searched BluesTalk, and found 26,634 posts telling me that TOP5 picks in the drafts are non-essential. They lead to a losing culture. They lead to tanking.

NOPE. Here on BluesTalk, the firm belief is that Edmonton is winning DESPITE MCDAVID AND DRAISITL, NOT BECAUSE OF THEM. Just ask the poor, dumb clucks yourself.
I have found a lot of posts saying that you don't tank just for the remote chance at a high pick in an average draft. Yes, if you could somehow guarantee that you get Connor McDavid, or course tanking would be worth it. Of course, that is in no way, shape, or form possible. Even Edmonton had to get multiple top picks before they found a generational player.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 12:09 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 09:04 am
Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 08:56 am Falling backwards into two generational players had nothing to do with it, huh?
Absolutely NOT!!! I searched BluesTalk, and found 26,634 posts telling me that TOP5 picks in the drafts are non-essential. They lead to a losing culture. They lead to tanking.

NOPE. Here on BluesTalk, the firm belief is that Edmonton is winning DESPITE MCDAVID AND DRAISITL, NOT BECAUSE OF THEM. Just ask the poor, dumb clucks yourself.
I have found a lot of posts saying that you don't tank just for the remote chance at a high pick in an average draft. Yes, if you could somehow guarantee that you get Connor McDavid, or course tanking would be worth it. Of course, that is in no way, shape, or form possible. Even Edmonton had to get multiple top picks before they found a generational player.
Not only that, but you have to completely strip the team of any sort of talent in order to just about guarantee finishing last, then with the lottery you still aren't guaranteed, just ask Anaheim and Buffalo.

Yes you'd still have a top 5 pick, but if you are tanking because of some specific player sweepstakes it is still a calculated risk.

Hell the year the Oil got McDavid they weren't even the worst team in the league. They were one of the worst, but not the worst, I believe they ended up winning the lottery over Buffalo.

We like to say how Buffalo hasn't been able to make the playoffs after being bad for so long, but what does their trajectory look like if they don't lose that lottery and end up with McDavid? Then Eichel goes to Phoenix, and Strome goes to Edmonton?
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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TheJackBurton wrote: 15 May 2025 12:19 pm
Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 12:09 pm
a smell of green grass wrote: 15 May 2025 09:04 am
Bob39 wrote: 15 May 2025 08:56 am Falling backwards into two generational players had nothing to do with it, huh?
Absolutely NOT!!! I searched BluesTalk, and found 26,634 posts telling me that TOP5 picks in the drafts are non-essential. They lead to a losing culture. They lead to tanking.

NOPE. Here on BluesTalk, the firm belief is that Edmonton is winning DESPITE MCDAVID AND DRAISITL, NOT BECAUSE OF THEM. Just ask the poor, dumb clucks yourself.
I have found a lot of posts saying that you don't tank just for the remote chance at a high pick in an average draft. Yes, if you could somehow guarantee that you get Connor McDavid, or course tanking would be worth it. Of course, that is in no way, shape, or form possible. Even Edmonton had to get multiple top picks before they found a generational player.
Not only that, but you have to completely strip the team of any sort of talent in order to just about guarantee finishing last, then with the lottery you still aren't guaranteed, just ask Anaheim and Buffalo.

Yes you'd still have a top 5 pick, but if you are tanking because of some specific player sweepstakes it is still a calculated risk.

Hell the year the Oil got McDavid they weren't even the worst team in the league. They were one of the worst, but not the worst, I believe they ended up winning the lottery over Buffalo.

We like to say how Buffalo hasn't been able to make the playoffs after being bad for so long, but what does their trajectory look like if they don't lose that lottery and end up with McDavid? Then Eichel goes to Phoenix, and Strome goes to Edmonton?
Pretty obvious that Gavin McKenna is the first pick next year. I've seen some comparisons to some folks. Better than Bedard, just a notch below McD. I dunno but he is going first unless he gets indicted for a sex crime. Even if the Blues, or anyone, go 0-82 next year, there is still a lottery in place that doesn't guarantee a thing. Just watch, some goofy team with a 1.4% chance (very likely the Penguins bc I'm totally believe in lottery conspiracies :D :D :D ) with the 12th pick next year will win the McKenna lottery.
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Re: We just advanced to Rd3 WITHOUT Broberg and Holloway

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blues2112 wrote: 15 May 2025 12:05 pm
blues2112 wrote: 15 May 2025 09:13 am Last year, how many games did Broberg play the first two rounds?

How many goals did Holloway score the first two rounds? In how many games did he play more than 10 minutes?
First answer: Zero

Second answer: Three (in 12 gams); two were in an 8-1 blowout; six of 12

They had little to no impact on Edmonton advancing to third round.
You are missing my point. I'll explain another way.

Broberg and Holloway are not even the strongest players on Edmonton. They don't even need them to advance to the 3rd round.
Meanwhile, the Blues wouldn't have even made .500 in the regular season without Broberg and Holloway.

Why is Edmonton so much better stocked with talent than the Blues (Their young bench players are our stars)? Who is to blame for that?
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Buffalo is always the team people use to make a case that drafting high doesn't always work out but that's ignoring all of the bonehead moves their gm pulls off every single year to defeat themselves. Didn't they take Berglund and Lethera off the Blues...?
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BalotelliMassive wrote: 15 May 2025 13:21 pm Buffalo is always the team people use to make a case that drafting high doesn't always work out but that's ignoring all of the bonehead moves their gm pulls off every single year to defeat themselves. Didn't they take Berglund and Lethera off the Blues...?
Bergy went to Buffalo where as far as we know he did not father triplets for any member of the Sabres before retiring a couple of years later.

Lehtera and 7KG of pure Siniloa cartel cocaine and several draft picks were traded to the Flyers for a Bryce Harper rookie card, a ticket stub from the Soviet Series in the late 80s and a video of Ron Hextall attacking Chris Chelios in the corner in game six of a Habs/Flyers series. It was a solid move for both sides.
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