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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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Cardinals Hall of Fame standards should be lower than the MLB Hall of Fame which should be (but lately hasn't been) for the creme de la creme.

All three are more than deserving, I'm a big thumbs up to this class! :D
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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Dudes. He’s the Mad Hungarian. He was feared league wise. His behind the mound ritual was golden.
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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Stlcardsblues wrote: 03 May 2025 09:44 am
sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
Just because of player is more recognized somewhere else doesn’t mean they’re ineligible for the team Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose is more recognized as a red, but I would definitely put him in the Philly Hall of Fame
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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nighthawk wrote: 03 May 2025 06:57 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
Here's the difference between the MLB HOF & the Cardinal HOF.

The MLB HOF has information about who is enshrined on its web site. https://baseballhall.org/

The Cardinal HOF has no information on who is enshrined on its web site, but has lots of info what you can purchase for exorbitant prices. https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/cardinals ... and-museum

One is a real HOF. The other is just a store.
The real Hall of Fame has a gift shop too.

And the Cardinals Hall of Fame also has plaques.

Isn’t life neat?
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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ecleme22 wrote: 03 May 2025 09:52 am
Stlcardsblues wrote: 03 May 2025 09:44 am
sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
Just because of player is more recognized somewhere else doesn’t mean they’re ineligible for the team Hall of Fame.

Pete Rose is more recognized as a red, but I would definitely put him in the Philly Hall of Fame
I would put him in the Reds, Phillies not so much. But the fun is debating a players worthiness.

For me I feel we watered down our Hall of Fame, where I take the opposite view of the Baseball Hall of Fame. I can see cases being made on some players on whether or not they are worthy, but I don’t see many who are not worthy. I don’t agree the Baseball Hall of Fame is watered down. Others disagree with me.
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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Carlton was a very good pitcher for the Cardinals, and but for a couple of hours would have continued to be a Cardinal. He is truly worthy of being in the Cardinal HOF with others from those late '60s teams.
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Appreciate Hrabosky while he's still here.

He's the last of the breed.
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Stlcardsblues wrote: 03 May 2025 09:44 am
sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
This assessment is spot on
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
agree 100%
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One of Hrabosky's best:

After the first three batters of the ninth inning reached, putting the go-ahead run on third base, Al Hrabosky knew he needed to tap into something primal to escape the jam against the defending World Series champion Cincinnati Reds.

“I talk to the gypsy war gods,” he explained afterward. “I work myself into a controlled rage.”[1]

On May 9, 1977, Hrabosky and his gypsy war gods responded, striking out George Foster, Johnny Bench, and Bob Bailey to escape the ninth inning unscathed. After a game-saving play at the plate stopped the Reds in the top of the 10th, Ted Simmons homered in the bottom of the inning to give Hrabosky and the Cardinals a 6-5 win.
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People who do not think Al should be in the Cardinal Hall of Fame are not true Cardinal fans and know nothing about its history or the players inducted. You would have to search high and low to find ANYONE that bleeds more Cardinal red than Al! I could write paragraph after paragraph of the things he’s done off the field for the Cardinals, but for I won’t because the words would be waisted on the ignorant! Little Bill sat up there when it was announced and acted all joyous and honored to tell Al he was finally in. I all could think was how it was about time! Way past due! One thing Little Bill did say was how Al knew more Cardinal fans by their first name than anyone else, and that’s absolutely true! I’ve talked to him on several occasions and he’s as down to earth as they come!
Congratulations to Al, and to those bad mouthing his induction, do a little research before ridiculing his past due, deserved honor!
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OldRed wrote: 04 May 2025 09:46 am One of Hrabosky's best:

After the first three batters of the ninth inning reached, putting the go-ahead run on third base, Al Hrabosky knew he needed to tap into something primal to escape the jam against the defending World Series champion Cincinnati Reds.

“I talk to the gypsy war gods,” he explained afterward. “I work myself into a controlled rage.”[1]

On May 9, 1977, Hrabosky and his gypsy war gods responded, striking out George Foster, Johnny Bench, and Bob Bailey to escape the ninth inning unscathed. After a game-saving play at the plate stopped the Reds in the top of the 10th, Ted Simmons homered in the bottom of the inning to give Hrabosky and the Cardinals a 6-5 win.
That was a fantastic moment!
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Stlcardsblues wrote: 03 May 2025 09:44 am
sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
I'm ok with Torre being in, because he was both player and manager here.
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11WSChamps wrote: 03 May 2025 12:57 pm Appreciate Hrabosky while he's still here.

He's the last of the
breed.
You nailed it.
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Re: Cards HoF. Hrabosky selected.

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Stlcardsblues wrote: 03 May 2025 09:44 am
sp25 wrote: 02 May 2025 23:04 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 02 May 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 02 May 2025 18:54 pm
Jatalk wrote: 02 May 2025 18:52 pm None are what I call hall of famers
Hall of famers no. Cardinals hall of famers absolutely. I don’t get people thinking cardinals hall of famers should have regular hall of fame numbers in order to get in
It should not be the level of Cooperstown, but they have severely watered it down. Plenty in are not worthy.
Such as?
For one my all-time favorite player as a kid Vince Coleman. I hate to say it, but he did not do enough to be put in. Same with Herr. Tudor is pushing it as well. I know he turned it down but Freese really was an example of watering it down.

Like I said there are guys who did not make the Hall of Fame who were deserving.

Edmonds, Forsch and McGee are extremely worthy. Simmons took forever to get into the Hall of Fame. I thought he was extremely worthy when he wasn’t a baseball Hall of Famer.

Oquendo I put into a different class, as a player no but his overall contribution as a player and coach I had less of an issue with it.

There are guys in the Hall Of Fame who I would consider saying no to for the Cardinals Hall of Fame. Carlton is more recognized as a Phillie, I would not vote him in. Torre I am on the fence on. He was good while he was here, but most of his legacy was built in other places.
A few days a year, Herr, Lankford, Tudor, Coleman and others get some love.

So horrible.
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