Nolan Gorman

[Whatashame]

You know, we aren’t talking about getting a hit necessarily but it would be nice. We are talking about just making contact, putting the ball in play. Gorman has to be able to recognize the situation and do what’s needed.

It’s a tough game. Pitchers now are throwing 95-100 mph with a lot of movement but. Ks are going up but hitters are still making contact and putting balls in play.

I want Gorman to play everyday and be successful but he just has to give us better ABs. A couple of fly balls today could have made a huge difference. What we saw today wasn’t even professional ABs. He was just flailing at pitches with little chance at being successful.

[Cusecards]

You know, we aren’t talking about getting a hit necessarily but it would be nice. We are talking about just making contact, putting the ball in play. Gorman has to be able to recognize the situation and do what’s needed.

It’s a tough game. Pitchers now are throwing 95-100 mph with a lot of movement but. Ks are going up but hitters are still making contact and putting balls in play.

I want Gorman to play everyday and be successful but he just has to give us better ABs. A couple of fly balls today could have made a huge difference. What we saw today wasn’t even professional ABs. He was just flailing at pitches with little chance at being successful.

It is a tough game. Hitting a ball moving 95+ and breaking takes major skills that few have.
Even Gorman, who is struggling wouldn’t be here if
he didn’t possess major skills.
This is his third season so he still has time.
The good news? You can’t teach raw power.
Unfortunately many others have gotten this far and flamed out despite having that raw power.
His AB yesterday with 2nd and 3rd is indicative of his problems.
First two pitches- off the plate and he wisely takes. Ahead 2-0 in the count.
Third pitch- hitters count. Needs to shrink his zone and look for HIS pitch. If the pitcher paints the corner you take it. Still ahead 2-1 and you have the edge. Not only doesn’t he shrink his zone but he swings at ball 3.
Fourth pitch- ok still up in the count. Can still be patient. Swings at a pitch in the dirt!
Pitch five- swings at an even worse pitch than previous pitch.

Look nobody said this was easy. But if you lack the judgement to decipher a good pitch from one nowhere near the plate you need major help.

[redbirdfan51]

He has not played much so far. A day here and there. He needs to spend time with the hitting coach. Don't know if he will ever hit off speed pitches much.

Agree, but though it was a very small sampling, Gorman did hit well and looked good at the plate in the first few games. He has gotten out of sync since he was put on the IL. He probably should have stayed at Memphis longer. Saggese should be playing 2B everyday and we will see how and if Gorman fits later.

[scoutyjones2]

You know, we aren’t talking about getting a hit necessarily but it would be nice. We are talking about just making contact, putting the ball in play. Gorman has to be able to recognize the situation and do what’s needed.

It’s a tough game. Pitchers now are throwing 95-100 mph with a lot of movement but. Ks are going up but hitters are still making contact and putting balls in play.

I want Gorman to play everyday and be successful but he just has to give us better ABs. A couple of fly balls today could have made a huge difference. What we saw today wasn’t even professional ABs. He was just flailing at pitches with little chance at being successful.

It is a tough game. Hitting a ball moving 95+ and breaking takes major skills that few have.
Even Gorman, who is struggling wouldn’t be here if
he didn’t possess major skills.
This is his third season so he still has time.
The good news? You can’t teach raw power.
Unfortunately many others have gotten this far and flamed out despite having that raw power.
His AB yesterday with 2nd and 3rd is indicative of his problems.
First two pitches- off the plate and he wisely takes. Ahead 2-0 in the count.
Third pitch- hitters count. Needs to shrink his zone and look for HIS pitch. If the pitcher paints the corner you take it. Still ahead 2-1 and you have the edge. Not only doesn’t he shrink his zone but he swings at ball 3.
Fourth pitch- ok still up in the count. Can still be patient. Swings at a pitch in the dirt!
Pitch five- swings at an even worse pitch than previous pitch.

Look nobody said this was easy. But if you lack the judgement to decipher a good pitch from one nowhere near the plate you need major help.

Lack of baseball intelligence

[OldRed]

At this point I would rather have Saggese than Gorman on the roster.

[Cusecards]

You know, we aren’t talking about getting a hit necessarily but it would be nice. We are talking about just making contact, putting the ball in play. Gorman has to be able to recognize the situation and do what’s needed.

It’s a tough game. Pitchers now are throwing 95-100 mph with a lot of movement but. Ks are going up but hitters are still making contact and putting balls in play.

I want Gorman to play everyday and be successful but he just has to give us better ABs. A couple of fly balls today could have made a huge difference. What we saw today wasn’t even professional ABs. He was just flailing at pitches with little chance at being successful.

It is a tough game. Hitting a ball moving 95+ and breaking takes major skills that few have.
Even Gorman, who is struggling wouldn’t be here if
he didn’t possess major skills.
This is his third season so he still has time.
The good news? You can’t teach raw power.
Unfortunately many others have gotten this far and flamed out despite having that raw power.
His AB yesterday with 2nd and 3rd is indicative of his problems.
First two pitches- off the plate and he wisely takes. Ahead 2-0 in the count.
Third pitch- hitters count. Needs to shrink his zone and look for HIS pitch. If the pitcher paints the corner you take it. Still ahead 2-1 and you have the edge. Not only doesn’t he shrink his zone but he swings at ball 3.
Fourth pitch- ok still up in the count. Can still be patient. Swings at a pitch in the dirt!
Pitch five- swings at an even worse pitch than previous pitch.

Look nobody said this was easy. But if you lack the judgement to decipher a good pitch from one nowhere near the plate you need major help.

Lack of baseball intelligence

Ya think?
Not trying to pile on the kid but his facial expressions when hitting are a combo of:
Blank stare
And
Deer in the headlights

[WLTFE]

You know, we aren’t talking about getting a hit necessarily but it would be nice. We are talking about just making contact, putting the ball in play. Gorman has to be able to recognize the situation and do what’s needed.

It’s a tough game. Pitchers now are throwing 95-100 mph with a lot of movement but. Ks are going up but hitters are still making contact and putting balls in play.

I want Gorman to play everyday and be successful but he just has to give us better ABs. A couple of fly balls today could have made a huge difference. What we saw today wasn’t even professional ABs. He was just flailing at pitches with little chance at being successful.

It is a tough game. Hitting a ball moving 95+ and breaking takes major skills that few have.
Even Gorman, who is struggling wouldn’t be here if
he didn’t possess major skills.
This is his third season so he still has time.
The good news? You can’t teach raw power.
Unfortunately many others have gotten this far and flamed out despite having that raw power.
His AB yesterday with 2nd and 3rd is indicative of his problems.
First two pitches- off the plate and he wisely takes. Ahead 2-0 in the count.
Third pitch- hitters count. Needs to shrink his zone and look for HIS pitch. If the pitcher paints the corner you take it. Still ahead 2-1 and you have the edge. Not only doesn’t he shrink his zone but he swings at ball 3.
Fourth pitch- ok still up in the count. Can still be patient. Swings at a pitch in the dirt!
Pitch five- swings at an even worse pitch than previous pitch.

Look nobody said this was easy. But if you lack the judgement to decipher a good pitch from one nowhere near the plate you need major help.

Lack of baseball intelligence

Ya think?
Not trying to pile on the kid but his facial expressions when hitting are a combo of:
Blank stare
And
Deer in the headlights

Same for Walker

[swatski]

What a shame!

[Melville]

Baseball is a funny game.
Yesterday Gorman looked bad - 3 K's
Today, every AB was high quality - key PA against LH pitcher to create the rally, good contact every time, no K's.

[Shady]

Baseball is a funny game.
Yesterday Gorman looked bad - 3 K's
Today, every AB was high quality - key PA against LH pitcher to create the rally, good contact every time, no K's.

Obviously, Gorman needs to establish the ability to make consistent contact. Whatcha' think of Saggese, so far?

[BeerNCards]

Looked good before injury. I’m still willing to give him most of the playing time til at least trade deadline. Hoping bloom cooks at deadline and mo is in the back seat.

Yes. He’s trending downwards in a big way, but this is the season that they need to get him as many ABs as they can to see if he can figure it out.

No, last season was the time for that. And last offseason was the time to trade him. Now he's got the value of a platoon end of the bench type of player.

[Melville]

Baseball is a funny game.
Yesterday Gorman looked bad - 3 K's
Today, every AB was high quality - key PA against LH pitcher to create the rally, good contact every time, no K's.

Obviously, Gorman needs to establish the ability to make consistent contact. Whatcha' think of Saggese, so far?

I think I said all off-season that STL needed a RH bat in the line-up as protection against Walker or Winn struggling and Saggese looks like he is filling that role.

[Shady]

Baseball is a funny game.
Yesterday Gorman looked bad - 3 K's
Today, every AB was high quality - key PA against LH pitcher to create the rally, good contact every time, no K's.

Obviously, Gorman needs to establish the ability to make consistent contact. Whatcha' think of Saggese, so far?

I think I said all off-season that STL needed a RH bat in the line-up as protection against Walker or Winn struggling and Saggese looks like he is filling that role.

Melville, when Saggese is batting, it seems like he has a plan. It doesn't always work out. But I like the mental asoect of hitting that Saggese seems to have already as a young MLB hitter..

[3dender]

Looked good before injury. I’m still willing to give him most of the playing time til at least trade deadline. Hoping bloom cooks at deadline and mo is in the back seat.

Yes. He’s trending downwards in a big way, but this is the season that they need to get him as many ABs as they can to see if he can figure it out.

No, last season was the time for that. And last offseason was the time to trade him. Now he's got the value of a platoon end of the bench type of player.

Well they didn't do it last season when it was apparently "the time," nor did they trade him, so now their only options are:

1) Get him that PT now
2) Trade him when his value is as low as it has ever been
3) Don't trade him or give him good PT, which will lead his value to sink even lower after which they will decide to trade/DFA

#3 is clearly the worst option.

[rockondlouie]

Man I love me a nice bust

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