Contreras 21 Ks in 42 ABs

[RamFan08NY]

It's the jinx of hitting 2nd on this team. Last year when goldy was moved there, he was equally bad. I domt know if anyone wants to hit 2nd any more!

[rockondlouie]

I know I'll get speared by some (hello scouty ) but could this be as simple as WillyC just isn't comfortable at 1st base and needs to be back behind the plate?

Why I as is look at his career splits when catching vs DHing:

Willy when Catching:
.262 .354 .478

Willy when DHing:
.239 .349 .397

[Chubbs0910]

This is purely speculation but..

Contreras does not seem like a very bright guy. He is talented, dedicated & passionate but certain nuances of the game seem to elude him.

And for that reason im not worried about his slow start. Guys like that are immune to prolonged slumps bc they don't let the past linger.

I agree with your assessment, but isn't 20 strikeouts in 40 at bats and no other production a prolonged slump?

Its a slump for sure, but it's a long season.

[ilcubuffs]

What have noticed about Contreras in his slump.

1. Pitchers are increasing their rhythm in delivering pitches. They get the ball from catcher and are ready to deliver. When you are struggling you fall into that rhythm. Probably not the approach Contreras is comfortable.

2. Contreras gets to 0 - 2 very quickly. He knows the next pitch is on outside corner. He is leaning to the point he is heading to the dugout while swinging. It is like the batters box is filled with lava and he wants out. Needs to return to "balance" he is accustomed.

3. Not sure the AB's numbers on his batting in 2 hole, but it is not what he is accustomed. IF you have a competent manager with cajones he would move him to 3 or 5 hole. This group failed horribly with Goldy in 2 hole. Now wants muck up Contreras. If it is Marmot or Elkins making this decision someone needs to intervene and make the changes.

Contreras is very good MLB player. Cardinals are making him look like a A rookie. He needs to be in place where he has been successful.

[Chubbs0910]

What have noticed about Contreras in his slump.

1. Pitchers are increasing their rhythm in delivering pitches. They get the ball from catcher and are ready to deliver. When you are struggling you fall into that rhythm. Probably not the approach Contreras is comfortable.

2. Contreras gets to 0 - 2 very quickly. He knows the next pitch is on outside corner. He is leaning to the point he is heading to the dugout while swinging. It is like the batters box is filled with lava and he wants out. Needs to return to "balance" he is accustomed.

3. Not sure the AB's numbers on his batting in 2 hole, but it is not what he is accustomed. IF you have a competent manager with cajones he would move him to 3 or 5 hole. This group failed horribly with Goldy in 2 hole. Now wants muck up Contreras. If it is Marmot or Elkins making this decision someone needs to intervene and make the changes.

Contreras is very good MLB player. Cardinals are making him look like a A rookie. He needs to be in place where he has been successful.

I dont think you go with 3 rookie managers with increasingly less mlb experience to relinquish control. Mo and his analytics team dictates the regular lineup.

[2ninr]

This is purely speculation but..

Contreras does not seem like a very bright guy. He is talented, dedicated & passionate but certain nuances of the game seem to elude him.

And for that reason im not worried about his slow start. Guys like that are immune to prolonged slumps bc they don't let the past linger.

I agree with your assessment, but isn't 20 strikeouts in 40 at bats and no other production a prolonged slump?

Its a slump for sure, but it's a long season.

It isn't the first time he's had a stretch where he looked like he had never been able to hit. Kind of fits the profile you were talking about. I'm ready for good Willy.

[blackinkbiz]

This is purely speculation but..

Contreras does not seem like a very bright guy. He is talented, dedicated & passionate but certain nuances of the game seem to elude him.

And for that reason im not worried about his slow start. Guys like that are immune to prolonged slumps bc they don't let the past linger.

I agree with your assessment, but isn't 20 strikeouts in 40 at bats and no other production a prolonged slump?

Its a slump for sure, but it's a long season.

It isn't the first time he's had a stretch where he looked like he had never been able to hit. Kind of fits the profile you were talking about. I'm ready for good Willy.

Yep, Willy hit about .150 through the first 6-7 weeks of 2023 when Oli had him hitting 5th and I'm pretty sure he was the only player whose batting position didn't change until June. Of course, by then, the season was over. Marmol's obsessed with him unlike any other player on the roster.

Not sure what it is but he's in love with him and according to him can do no wrong.

[Ozziesfan41]

Comtreras will be fine he will go into a .360-.400 month and by the end of the season his numbers will be good but it’s absolutely dumb for him to keep him hitting there when he is in this kind of slump. And the worst thing is contreras is the type of guy who didn’t complain and was a trooper when they scapegoated him for mos bad pitching staff and pulled him from catching so he wouldn’t complain about pulling him from hitting second

[Goldfan]

I know I'll get speared by some (hello scouty ) but could this be as simple as WillyC just isn't comfortable at 1st base and needs to be back behind the plate?

Why I as is look at his career splits when catching vs DHing:

Willy when Catching:
.262 .354 .478

Willy when DHing:
.239 .349 .397

It might be as simple as your favorite 2>>>>5 spots argument. Check out those splits
I hoped you were well stocked with Calls today Rock…..cheers

[11WSChamps]

I see Oli didn't take my advice concerning Contreras today.

Another loss.

Oh well.

[2ninr]

This is purely speculation but..

Contreras does not seem like a very bright guy. He is talented, dedicated & passionate but certain nuances of the game seem to elude him.

And for that reason im not worried about his slow start. Guys like that are immune to prolonged slumps bc they don't let the past linger.

I agree with your assessment, but isn't 20 strikeouts in 40 at bats and no other production a prolonged slump?

Its a slump for sure, but it's a long season.

It isn't the first time he's had a stretch where he looked like he had never been able to hit. Kind of fits the profile you were talking about. I'm ready for good Willy.

Yep, Willy hit about .150 through the first 6-7 weeks of 2023 when Oli had him hitting 5th and I'm pretty sure he was the only player whose batting position didn't change until June. Of course, by then, the season was over. Marmol's obsessed with him unlike any other player on the roster.

Not sure what it is but he's in love with him and according to him can do no wrong.

You have to keep him in the lineup, but lower third would be appropriate. Oli has to toughen up and move players down or play someone else for a game when their performance warrants it. And I don't mean a bad series. Maybe that's a thread. How long do you give a vet player before you move him out of the production spots in the lineIp? A dozen games maybe. It depends too. Is he walking any? Is he hitting into bad luck? That ain't Willy. Can't hit into bad luck when you are striking out half the time. I say head case. Willy is a head case. He needs some good dreams or maybe for the planet and stars to get aligned properly for him.

[rockondlouie]

I know I'll get speared by some (hello scouty ) but could this be as simple as WillyC just isn't comfortable at 1st base and needs to be back behind the plate?

Why I as is look at his career splits when catching vs DHing:

Willy when Catching:
.262 .354 .478

Willy when DHing:
.239 .349 .397

It might be as simple as your favorite 2>>>>5 spots argument. Check out those splits
I hoped you were well stocked with Calls today Rock…..cheers

Certainly couldn't hurt Goldfan.

What's the definition of insanity?

[Ozziesfan41]

Its crazy he was taking good at bats crushing the ball in spring training hitting .405 .511 then the season starts and its like the light switch got turned off and he started taking bad at bats. He will be fine though unless he has some kind of injury the light will come back on and he will mash and carry the team for a while. They definitely need to move him lower in the line up. Put Walker hitting second or Scott leading off and move Noot to second