I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Some of you folks obsession with corner OF defense as opposed to offense is maddening.
If Herrera winds up as an .800-850 OPS OF'er I don't care if he ever throws anyone out.
That's what 4th extra OF defensive replacements are on the bench for.
If Herrera winds up as an .800-850 OPS OF'er I don't care if he ever throws anyone out.
That's what 4th extra OF defensive replacements are on the bench for.
Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
It would also be nice for Contreras to get out of his funk. Problem is, he's not a spring chicken, so to speak.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:35 pm I would think DH is an option. I mean, it's not as if Burleson and his career 96 OPS+ is irreplaceable, is it?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
By season's end, Contreras will once again be one of the top hitter's on this team and have an OPS over .800.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:06 pmIt would also be nice for Contreras to get out of his funk. Problem is, he's not a spring chicken, so to speak.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:35 pm I would think DH is an option. I mean, it's not as if Burleson and his career 96 OPS+ is irreplaceable, is it?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Wait, Ivan the terrible can't throw from home to second and is suspect defensively...and now CT wants him bouncing around the field?! 
Dude hasn't played anything but catcher, except 8 times at 1b...since he's been 17

Dude hasn't played anything but catcher, except 8 times at 1b...since he's been 17
Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
okMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:13 pmBy season's end, Contreras will once again be one of the top hitter's on this team and have an OPS over .800.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:06 pmIt would also be nice for Contreras to get out of his funk. Problem is, he's not a spring chicken, so to speak.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:35 pm I would think DH is an option. I mean, it's not as if Burleson and his career 96 OPS+ is irreplaceable, is it?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
-3 they will run on his arm all day since he can’t even throw from home to second he would give up a lot of extra basesBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:02 pm-2Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:31 pm+1 if he has trouble throwing runners out from at second from catcher they would be taking second on him on singles and scoring easily from secondSlip Kid wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:25 pm If Herrera has such a weak throwing arm that he is a liability at catcher, wouldn’t the same hold true if you stick him in left field. Teams would always challenge him to try to take the extra base on balls in the gaps or in the corner. And that’s assuming he would have even average range as an outfielder which has not been displayed. First base or dh is his future.
The liability of exposure due to a rag arm is much less in LF than it is at catcher.
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And Burly will be a part-time player because he can't run, field, hit for power, or hit lefties.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:23 pmokMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:13 pmBy season's end, Contreras will once again be one of the top hitter's on this team and have an OPS over .800.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:06 pmIt would also be nice for Contreras to get out of his funk. Problem is, he's not a spring chicken, so to speak.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:35 pm I would think DH is an option. I mean, it's not as if Burleson and his career 96 OPS+ is irreplaceable, is it?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Yes. How did we survive all those years with Matt Holliday's rag arm in LF?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:31 pm-3 they will run on his arm all day since he can’t even throw from home to second he would give up a lot of extra basesBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:02 pm-2Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:31 pm+1 if he has trouble throwing runners out from at second from catcher they would be taking second on him on singles and scoring easily from secondSlip Kid wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:25 pm If Herrera has such a weak throwing arm that he is a liability at catcher, wouldn’t the same hold true if you stick him in left field. Teams would always challenge him to try to take the extra base on balls in the gaps or in the corner. And that’s assuming he would have even average range as an outfielder which has not been displayed. First base or dh is his future.
The liability of exposure due to a rag arm is much less in LF than it is at catcher.
Throwing from the outfield and throwing as a catcher are fairly different things, anyway.
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
What I have heard is that as a catcher, his "pop time" is not good. I have heard that his throws are not very accurate. I have not heard that his arm is weak.
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
And for these reasons the Cardinals are going to be confronted with a fork in the road at every turn, an ongoing decision to make throughout this season whether they are trying to play the future team or trying to have a chance to win.Chubbs0910 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:47 pm Its basically gonna be Contreras and Arenado taking potential AB's from Herrera and Gorman. Which isn't exactly ideal long term.
Pages is the best catcher anyway.
After a few more losing series, it would probably be in the best interest to bag it up.
Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
I'll admit, I'm not too thrilled with Burleson's hitting, right now. Can you say the same for how Contreras is hitting? Also, what did you think of this comment in a recent post? "Its basically gonna be Contreras and Arenado taking potential AB's from Herrera and Gorman. Which isn't exactly ideal long term".Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:35 pmAnd Burly will be a part-time player because he can't run, field, hit for power, or hit lefties.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:23 pmokMonsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:13 pmBy season's end, Contreras will once again be one of the top hitter's on this team and have an OPS over .800.Shady wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:06 pmIt would also be nice for Contreras to get out of his funk. Problem is, he's not a spring chicken, so to speak.Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 15:35 pm I would think DH is an option. I mean, it's not as if Burleson and his career 96 OPS+ is irreplaceable, is it?
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:31 pm+1 if he has trouble throwing runners out from at second from catcher they would be taking second on him on singles and scoring easily from secondSlip Kid wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:25 pm If Herrera has such a weak throwing arm that he is a liability at catcher, wouldn’t the same hold true if you stick him in left field. Teams would always challenge him to try to take the extra base on balls in the gaps or in the corner. And that’s assuming he would have even average range as an outfielder which has not been displayed. First base or dh is his future.
Yes, but I'll take it for what he provides offensively. He has the ability to be an all star caliber hitter, and not because he started hot. He has shown signs for a while now
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Yea in left field they have to throw furtherStrummer Jones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:45 pmYes. How did we survive all those years with Matt Holliday's rag arm in LF?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:31 pm-3 they will run on his arm all day since he can’t even throw from home to second he would give up a lot of extra basesBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 17:02 pm-2Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:31 pm+1 if he has trouble throwing runners out from at second from catcher they would be taking second on him on singles and scoring easily from secondSlip Kid wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:25 pm If Herrera has such a weak throwing arm that he is a liability at catcher, wouldn’t the same hold true if you stick him in left field. Teams would always challenge him to try to take the extra base on balls in the gaps or in the corner. And that’s assuming he would have even average range as an outfielder which has not been displayed. First base or dh is his future.
The liability of exposure due to a rag arm is much less in LF than it is at catcher.
Throwing from the outfield and throwing as a catcher are fairly different things, anyway.
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Cardinals have a lot catchers depth in their organization. I think a position change to the OF or 1B could be in his future.
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
But that's Nootbaar's position! That is Hiltonhead's hero. The Ejaculator!
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Re: I’ll say again, maybe prep. Herrera for LF?
Lou Brock had a poor throwing arm as did Stan Musial.Slip Kid wrote: ↑07 Apr 2025 16:25 pm If Herrera has such a weak throwing arm that he is a liability at catcher, wouldn’t the same hold true if you stick him in left field. Teams would always challenge him to try to take the extra base on balls in the gaps or in the corner. And that’s assuming he would have even average range as an outfielder which has not been displayed. First base or dh is his future.