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This is not an insult to Nolan Arenado. He is still a good player. He just isn't the man for cleanup anymore. He'd make a fine #6 hitter.

Look at what you've got in Ivan Herrera. He just keeps hitting. What do you have to lose? You might (bleep) off Arenado, but he might not be around much longer either, if he ends up getting traded.

I've been easier on you than a lot of people, Oli. My biggest gripe with you is your favorites with certain players. Let me like you. I want to like you. Do the right thing.

Sweet Mother of God!! What's the (bleep) holdup, Oli?? Let Herrera bat cleanup!! For God sakes!!

It will never happen. He has loyalty to Arenado

vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:01 pm It will never happen. He has loyalty to Arenado

I agree.
Unless Arenado volunteers to move down he’ll be kept where he is.

[shirt], hit him in the 3rd spot at this rate. I guess Oli is committed to the LRLR, and I know he was out for a long time, but good Lord. This dude is hitting .419 with a (bleep) near 1.400 OPS!! He's due to cool off, but still.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:00 pm Sweet Mother of God!! What's the (drat) holdup, Oli?? Let Herrera bat cleanup!! For God sakes!!

I object. No I strenuously object. If they were losing I would say of course. Baseball players minds are very weird. Very superstitious people. It ain’t broke no need to fix it. Let it ride.

hullie wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:37 pm I object. No I strenuously object. If they were losing I would say of course. Baseball players minds are very weird. Very superstitious people. It ain’t broke no need to fix it. Let it ride.

BULLHOCKEY !!! Marmol needs to do the obvious move to make the offense even better.

hullie wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:37 pm I object. No I strenuously object. If they were losing I would say of course. Baseball players minds are very weird. Very superstitious people. It ain’t broke no need to fix it. Let it ride.

If a manager manages based on superstition instead of intelligent lineup construction then he needs to be fired. Also a team can make up for poor managing in the regular season because it’s 162 but in the post season it will cost them and if the cardinals manage to make the post season and Arenado is still hitting clean up it will cost them it will be another one and done series

I’d bench Arenado and hit Saggese cleanup!

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:00 pm Sweet Mother of God!! What's the (drat) holdup, Oli?? Let Herrera bat cleanup!! For God sakes!!

I know! They ve lost 2 or 3 games all [fork]ing month! C'mon Oli!!!

Ignore the 6'6" slug playing average OF and sporting a 40 OPS+

hullie wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:37 pm I object. No I strenuously object. If they were losing I would say of course. Baseball players minds are very weird. Very superstitious people. It ain’t broke no need to fix it. Let it ride.

Just have a look at the box score... isn't it a little ridiculous to plop an 0-4 in the middle of a 3-5, 2-5 and 3-4? Wouldn't you rather have the 0-4 at the end and the 3-4 after the 3-5?

So basically we would have no run producers after the 5th spot. Bad idea.

hullie wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:49 pm So basically we would have no run producers after the 5th spot. Bad idea.

So it’s better to have the less run producer batting clean up so you have the better run producers getting fewer at bats at 5th and 6th? That’s a worse idea and makes zero sense. Let’s give the worst hitter more at bats so the better hitters get fewer at bats lol

Cards just aren't perfect and it's all on Oli! Can't win the correct or perfect way!

Grrrrr...hulk smash!

hullie wrote: ↑16 May 2025 21:37 pm I object. No I strenuously object. If they were losing I would say of course. Baseball players minds are very weird. Very superstitious people. It ain’t broke no need to fix it. Let it ride.

I get it, because the only reason that I have not yet gotten some Winn and/or Scott II gear is because I don't want to curse them, but I don't want my manager to be a puss like me.

And Herrera (1.387) has (bleep) near double the OPS that Arenado (.712) has!!! This is not a rip Arenado thread. His defense is great. He has gotten some big hits for us. But Herrera had an .847 OPS last June, a .878 OPS in an (extremely) limited August, and a 1.099 OPS last September, so it's not like it's coming out of nowhere that this guy hits. So let's take advantage of the fact that this guy hits.