Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Pirates are ready to spend....their rebuild is nearly complete. Baltimore tried competing the last 2 years...they want better bats.
We're not at the same stage as the O's and Pirates.
I'm not giving excuses about small market/mid market/large market.
Our team sucks right now, the old kids aren't producing outside of Donovan and Herrera....the new kids aren't ready with exception Wetherholt.....we're just not ready.
You spend the money and trade/buy couple SP and 2 bats and your READY
C Herrera
1b WC
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF $$$
CF Scott
RF Bellinger
DH Burly
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
Wait a minute. I've been told by countless CTers there is no way owners will be handing out big contracts with an impeding work stoppage. These CTers seem to be just handing out ready-made excuses for tightwad BDW Jr. and his idiot son.
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
icon wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 14:06 pm
Wait a minute. I've been told by countless CTers there is no way owners will be handing out big contracts with an impeding work stoppage. These CTers seem to be just handing out ready-made excuses for tightwad BDW Jr. and his idiot son.
If the last place team is READY they can do it……the megatropolis of Baltimore, MD with unlimited payroll capacity
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
I understand your passion about that, but they (Front Office) have said they're not doing that. So why are you taking this passionate stand? We're rebuilding...and they're trying to do the "right way"...according to them. You can jump on it, or do what you're doing, GF. Again, that's on you.
Orioles feel comfortable spending b/c they have a much better base than we do. We can spend, like you said, but it's not Wise without a good base. It's 2023 all over again....and none of us want that.
Be patient, let this play out. Let the elite minor league pitching get closer to the majors.
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
"They" haven't convinced me of anything. As I see it, it's not the best idea to enter into unnecessary contracts that run past the new CBA. I believe the new rules will be favorable to the Cardinals and that we will be glad to have space on the payroll. If that is true, at that time if they are not aggressive, I will be right there with you. The time is not right presently.
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
I understand your passion about that, but they (Front Office) have said they're not doing that. So why are you taking this passionate stand? We're rebuilding...and they're trying to do the "right way"...according to them. You can jump on it, or do what you're doing, GF. Again, that's on you.
Orioles feel comfortable spending b/c they have a much better base than we do. We can spend, like you said, but it's not Wise without a good base. It's 2023 all over again....and none of us want that.
Be patient, let this play out. Let the elite minor league pitching get closer to the majors.
Bloom is already on record stating he’s looking to bring in a #1 SP……why do that if only in this fill the minor leagues mode??
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:12 pm
The Orioles now have Ryan Mountcastle, Coby Mayo, Sam Basallo, and Pete Alonso at 1B. They are building a strong four man rotation!
Cards need to go get Coby Mayo.
They don't need catchers, or any position players really. If you want to match up with them you have to go with pitching. Who do you have that they would want and you would be willing to trade? It has to be both. The group of pitchers I could see the Cardinals could part with are Jojo Romero, Andre Pallante, Pete Hansen, and maybe one of Brycen Mautz or Ixan Henderson. Have I missed anyone? Or, maybe we could trade them Contreras and they could have a 5 man rotation.
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
"They" haven't convinced me of anything. As I see it, it's not the best idea to enter into unnecessary contracts that run past the new CBA. I believe the new rules will be favorable to the Cardinals and that we will be glad to have space on the payroll. If that is true, at that time if they are not aggressive, I will be right there with you. The time is not right presently.
Isn’t it curious that 2 obviously inferior and less resourceful orgs….Pitts, Balt…..apparently don’t have great concern about the issue you just presented but the STL Cardinals do?? No one else finds this peculiar??
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
I understand your passion about that, but they (Front Office) have said they're not doing that. So why are you taking this passionate stand? We're rebuilding...and they're trying to do the "right way"...according to them. You can jump on it, or do what you're doing, GF. Again, that's on you.
Orioles feel comfortable spending b/c they have a much better base than we do. We can spend, like you said, but it's not Wise without a good base. It's 2023 all over again....and none of us want that.
Be patient, let this play out. Let the elite minor league pitching get closer to the majors.
Bloom is already on record stating he’s looking to bring in a #1 SP……why do that if only in this fill the minor leagues mode??
lol - He will not bring in anyone close to Sonny Gray
Goldfan wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:44 pm
So O’s can spend money but BDW can’t……someone make this make sense
The O's are ready....the Cards are not.
If you can't tell the difference between the two...then that's on you.
O's were ready last year...they didn't perform
Duce…..All I hear around here is that small markets can’t compete with the large and here is Balt….a rung below STL spending 30+ mil/yr
Ready has nothing to do with the narrative that smalls can’t spend and compete. Ready
Sure it does. We've had a manure pile building up here for 10 years. You don't wear your good clothes to clean out the barn!
Balt>>>>smaller TV market….50+mil less revenue than Cards>>>>historically smaller attendance
Difference
A new owner with DEEP Pockets
If BDW took payroll up to 180-190mil the pieces to be “Ready” in ‘26 would be there.
Anyone who is fooled by this payroll sham being played by BDW when Balt, Pitts, etc are signing or willing to sign Big Market contracts…..needs to wake up
I'm not saying they aren't able to spend right now. I'm saying it's not wise.
yeah...agreed. "Wise", "Ready"...I put them both in the same room, car, bed, etc
I don't care about Market Size... we're just not ready to spend. The rotation is in shambles for probably another 2 seasons. The offense is horrible, and it's about to get worse with the subtractions of Donovan, Contreras, and Other expected
You’re talking about the CURRENT TEAM. I’m talking about filling those holes……how is this not clear. The only thing standing in the way is BDW $$$
But somehow BDW convinced you that you shouldn’t want him to spend his $$$
A COMPETITIVE MLB TEAM CAN BE ASSEMBLED IN STL THROUGH THE RIGHT TRADES AND FA CONTRACTS THIS OFFSEASON…..PERIOD
But there if no drive or will to do this and the guy without the will or drive convinced you
A last place 75-87 Orioles team is ready NOW that they signed a 40HR bat……well how bout that
"They" haven't convinced me of anything. As I see it, it's not the best idea to enter into unnecessary contracts that run past the new CBA. I believe the new rules will be favorable to the Cardinals and that we will be glad to have space on the payroll. If that is true, at that time if they are not aggressive, I will be right there with you. The time is not right presently.
Isn’t it curious that 2 obviously inferior and less resourceful orgs….Pitts, Balt…..apparently don’t have great concern about the issue you just presented but the STL Cardinals do?? No one else finds this peculiar??
I don't speak for how the Cardinals feel, the comments represent my opinion.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:12 pm
The Orioles now have Ryan Mountcastle, Coby Mayo, Sam Basallo, and Pete Alonso at 1B. They are building a strong four man rotation!
Cards need to go get Coby Mayo.
They don't need catchers, or any position players really. If you want to match up with them you have to go with pitching. Who do you have that they would want and you would be willing to trade? It has to be both. The group of pitchers I could see the Cardinals could part with are Jojo Romero, Andre Pallante, Pete Hansen, and maybe one of Brycen Mautz or Ixan Henderson. Have I missed anyone? Or, maybe we could trade them Contreras and they could have a 5 man rotation.
JoJo plus a minor league pitcher.
The Cardinals already have a Coby Mayo... he's named Jordan Walker. They should focus on trying to get more out of Walker.
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025 12:12 pm
The Orioles now have Ryan Mountcastle, Coby Mayo, Sam Basallo, and Pete Alonso at 1B. They are building a strong four man rotation!
Cards need to go get Coby Mayo.
They don't need catchers, or any position players really. If you want to match up with them you have to go with pitching. Who do you have that they would want and you would be willing to trade? It has to be both. The group of pitchers I could see the Cardinals could part with are Jojo Romero, Andre Pallante, Pete Hansen, and maybe one of Brycen Mautz or Ixan Henderson. Have I missed anyone? Or, maybe we could trade them Contreras and they could have a 5 man rotation.
JoJo plus a minor league pitcher.
The Cardinals already have a Coby Mayo... he's named Jordan Walker. They should focus on trying to get more out of Walker.
While I really like the upside of Coby Mayo, there is wisdom in this. You can only have so many projects at a time- even on a rebuilding team.
